Totally Mad Olivier Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Dear Hannes, I admit I don't understand what you mean precisely by "cut away", "U-shaped grille" and "falsifications" in your previous comment. Little arrows on the photos or at most a drawing would help me to see that more clearly. Personally, I don't see such things even on my wide enlargements... All the best Olivier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 The irregular alternance of black points (welds?) and small rivets along the fairing is very clearly visible, such as the small rivets at the limit bodywork/ bonnets (Robin suggested that, if I remember). This enlargement allows to see very clearly too the rear fastener on the bonnet with its hook... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Dear Olivier , the photographer removed the background and used a sharp knife for this purpose ..He made a mistake and falsificated the shape of the grille by removing a part of the grille´s frame and leaving a bit of the background above the radiator case . This proceeding alters the characteristics of the radiator case . This is more important than you might believe because our perception gets deceived regarding the real shape of the car´s front . If it´s still not clear , I´ll draw a scetch later on . Many greetings ! Hannes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Ok Hannes it is clear indeed that the photographer removed the background by cutting, doing the job imperfectly, forgetting to remove background details between some wheels spokes, and also, as you mention, by "eating" a little portion of the top left part of the grille fairing. But I am not sure it changes so much the perception of the grille shape, based anyway on the synthesis between several documents. What you say would be more convincing for me if we had only this photo to determine the grille shape. P.S: look closely at the spokes on the enlargement concerned, you will notice very long and wide nipples, I am not far from thinking the photographer added them manually... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Of course there are other documents which could correct the wrong impression . But photo 2 is one of the most used photos and some kind of pattern especially now in high resolution . Perception psychology tells us that the impression regarding an object we consider as most significant overlays other impressions by other sources we consider as less important . It´s possible that the photographer altered the impression with the best of intentions because he considered the front as too angular and the grille´s frame sticks out a bit . Many greetings Hannes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Photos 13 and 25 show the real shape of the radiator case ( 13 seen from a similar point of view ) . Photo 3 shows similar " corrections " I want to give you an example : On photo 3 there are 2 odd buttons over the transversal arm of the steering system and above these buttons there seems to be a part of the grille´s frame . But it´s a part of the background ! Below the transversal arm it´s correct ! Some of you might think , that´s not important at all but it is imho ! By the shortening of the foresighting longer parts seem to be short but our brain can imagine it´´s real lenght ! All this reminds me of the old joke : There are 3 different kind of persons on this planet :One kind knows how to calculate and the other one does not . Many greetings ! Hannes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 You know I like comparative analysis. I made one, merciless, as usual, for the area of the fastener: If the hook is acceptable, the button (2) is too large, it should be thicker up than low, and conical. You can notice too that the fairing (1) begins too backward, and it should increase more progressively. I will have to improve that back home, as many other details seen above... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveyb258 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 5 hours ago, Olivier de St Raph said: you will notice very long and wide nipples, Olivier... those aren't nipples. What you are seeing are weights that are put there to balance the wheels....little rings that clamp around the spokes. Notice that the troublesome left front wheel has a lot more weights than the right-front! Cheers, H 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Yes , dear Harvey you can see them on the rear wheels as well . There seems to be putty and color around those on the front wheels . Hannes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Thanks Harvey for the correction and the interesting info. Do you think such weights could be present for the race? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Most assuredly yes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveyb258 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, Black Knight said: Most assuredly yes Absolutely!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 So we should represent them. But very difficult to see what it looks like exactly on our docs. Would someone be able to post one or 2 photos of such weights on a similar car? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Dear Olivier , as I said above : Look at the rear wheels ! Hannes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hannes Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I tried to reconstruct what´s been cut away , like on the radiator case , the hinge row and some other minor falsifications . The alterings are very subtle but they change the impression of the car if you look closely . Many greetings ! Hannes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveyb258 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 If you notice the spoke lacing pattern too.....they are cross-spoked front to back!! That could be quite challenging!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Thanks Hannes, I didn't remember you had mentioned such weights on the rear right wheel. On this enlargement, we can see 3 weights, one shorter than the 2 others. They look like springs, with coils. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 10 hours ago, Hannes said: I tried to reconstruct what´s been cut away , like on the radiator case , the hinge row and some other minor falsifications . The alterings are very subtle but they change the impression of the car if you look closely . Many greetings ! Hannes Well done, Hannes, and good idea. It is true that, fe, the hinge row was looking very thin, and that's why I thought first using 0,6 mm tube. I think Roy should add this version with corrections done carefully, as photo 2 bis. Pity, it has lost a bit of quality, and so, the spring coils, fe, are not visible on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I made this comparison of photo 2 before and after Hannes corrections, to enhance his very good work: the arrows show the areas where the photographer "ate" a bit the edges. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I will be back home probably tonight. There will be still a lot to do to finish my build, especially because of the new revelations the VHR versions brought. I will have to come-back on the last 5 pages of the thread. I look forward to get back to my workbench, even if these family holiday were fine. I know you understand this feeling. On our workbench, we travel as well... All the best to all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 These weights are present too on the right front wheel. I had never noticed them. On this enlargement, we can see too with detail the tyre cap and some other details: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 10 hours ago, harveyb258 said: If you notice the spoke lacing pattern too.....they are cross-spoked front to back!! That could be quite challenging!! Harvey, I didn't understand what you mean here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Dear Olivier , the kit´s rims are made out of 3 rings with spokes and the central parts .Some spokes of the real wheel " connect ring 1 with ring 3 " ( Your photo of the rear wheel above ). That´s quite complicated (and I never did these kind of works) . I suppose , that´s what Harvey wanted to express . Many greetings ! Hannes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 As far as I can see there are only two " rows" of spokes , this means the central ring of the kit should be empty ! But the outer and inner " rings " are connected by some spokes imho . Hannes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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