Hannes Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 It´s much better than before ! If you still lower the sheet for the instrument panel some mm ( especially in the center , where it seems to rise ), you will get a very good bodywork ! Many greetings ! Hannes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy vd M. Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 Olivier it looks really nice. Is there any chance you can get the area where the louvres were inserted a bit smoother / blending in with the rest of the body? I'm worried these areas may otherwise be weak links visually. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) I am still not happy with these louvres, scratch made from 0,3 mm tin foil: if the location and the dimensions are correct, their shape is still not good, as this enlargement comparison shows: I am gonna improve them... Edited February 16, 2017 by Olivier de St Raph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Thank you for your encouragements. It was a big work to get this, and I know - as you suggest Roy and Hannes - it is not over... Edited February 16, 2017 by Olivier de St Raph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Totally Mad Olivier Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) A little topic about the windscreen, with a comparison between the kit's one and the real one (our photo 17...). Before painting my body, I was wondering if I should add swellings (?) on which would take place 51 and 52E. But I am not sure these swellings really exist. What do you think? The photo 17 seems to show no rod stand of the windshield... Furthermore, the kit's windshield does not have the good dimensions, but this has ever been said above... P.S: I have removed my tin foil louvres and used alu foil (in the same thickness, 0,3 mm), which is less soft what is, for this purpose, better. Edited February 17, 2017 by Olivier de St Raph add 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Dear Olivier , the wind-screen with its frame does not sit directly on the fairing ,it´s frame is connected with 2 short pieces of metal as we can see on photos 7 for instance. These 2 short pieces of metal also are not firmly connected with the fairing but are screwed to another small construction. This way the wind-screen could get adapted for the driver by 4 screws or small bolts . Many greetings ! Hannes Edited February 16, 2017 by Hannes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) Indeed, Hannes, good idea to look at the photo 7. It shows a little arm that is not visible on photo 17. I made an enlargement, pity, the quality is not HR, and I would need to see more clearly what this stand part looks like... On photo 9, we have this little "construction", a thin part that would stand the windscreen? and this is the Delage windscreen, that should be inspiring too, even if it is different: Edited February 17, 2017 by Olivier de St Raph add 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Dear Olivier , I´m not sure , but I believe , this bone-shaped arm was not directly connected with the fairing , at least on it´s left side ( driver´s view ) On photos 4 and 21 this arm seems to be connected with a small sheet or similar , thats connected firmly with the fairing , And this 3 or 4 -mounting points - construction would make sense imho ! If there´s only a 2- point fixation , you only can fold the screen upwards or downwards. If there are more mounting points , you also can adjust the height and angle . Because the driver´s position is out of the centre , this adjustable construction would make more sense for me . Many greetings ! Hannes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) I think this photo of the Mefisto windscreen should be very helpful. It seems to be nearly the same than the 806 one, for the stand system: I am at Brussels now. When I'll be back home, I will have a look at my Mef kit to see these parts. Sam could also tell us if the windscreen is better on the Mef... Sam, can you hear me? Edited February 17, 2017 by Olivier de St Raph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy vd M. Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) For the windscreen, do have a look at the documentary, from 3:27. Edited February 17, 2017 by Roy vd M. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharknose156 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Olivier de St Raph said: Sam could also tell us if the windscreen is better on the Mef... Sam Hello Olivier, Will check tomorrow when i am home. Bon voyage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickD Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Chaps, Glad to see steady progress, still following along but had one or two distractions recently. ATB Nick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I´m still fighting with my radiator case . It took much longer as expected to find the right shape . I´m also convinced now , the radiator case as we see on drawing 2 (sideview ) does not have exactly the same dimensions as our car . The wheel´s sizes on drawing 2 also don´t seem to correspond with those on our photos .Same goes for the height of the axes and the width between the wheels. So a lot of time-consuming research , comparisons and measurements are necessary now and not much progress can be seen . However , these works are necessary before I can continue . Many greetings ! Hannes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) Here is my last progress and comparison before my travel to Brussels. My louvres are much better, my seat fairing is close from truth. Notice that finally, after the corrections, my tail portion has the good lenght, not requiring any adding. The Bordino tip is maybe even 1 mm too long... Some details must still be improved, before painting: Edited February 18, 2017 by Olivier de St Raph add 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickD Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Louvres looking Lovely!!! Hannes, what little I have done has been on wheel size. I think I have finally got the hang of it but I'm not there yet. Feel guilty about not being able to help even after so much time. Still your sculpture's eye is at least as good as my engineering ones. In fact, one of the interesting things about this thread for me is just the different ways people look at the same thing. As a result I have started to try to see rather than just look. Still learning though. ATB Nick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) Dear Nick , the wheels really are a problem for me .Even if I use the Mef -tyres ( included in the Italeri-kit ) they are about 3 mm too small in diameter compared with the photos ! The Protar tyres would look ridiculous small but would fit with improved drawing 2. On drawing 2 the whole car seems to be lowered compared with our car . I´m not sure if the reason lies within different tyre sizes or different wheel sizes too , maybe a different axes height could also be a reason. My instincts told me not to rely on drawing 2 too much and now one of the reasons seems to be found . Of course I can use the somewhat undersized wheels and tyres for my model.It would even look better , if the whole car is lowered . But : This won´t be the original look ! And it also would frustrate me if I had to respoke my wheels some day in the conscience , they don´t have the right dimensions . This is not an urgent matter for me right now , but for the future I must find a solution or an alternative . Many greetings ! Hannes Edited February 18, 2017 by Hannes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Thank you Nick. I should just add a little portion of plastic card to close a part of the gap behind the 2 frontal louvres (yellow arrows): but these louvres are indeed wide opened on frontal view, as we can see on photos 1 and 2: And now, a question: my body will be red, of course, and my inside will be metal. What color should be the body under the frame? (black arrow) It seems to me more logic to paint it red, because it is a continuation of the body, but I am not 100% sure. Your opinion? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) Being at Brussels makes that I can't work on my 806. When I have 5 mn, I see again with care our reference photos. So, I found out that I forgot a vertical line of rivets. We have IMHO 9 rivets on an oblique line and 3 more ones vertical (one is hidden by the exhaust): About these rivets, I first made them with 0,9 mm die, then 0,8, then 0,7 and I wonder if they are not still a little too big! Definitely, if I had to made them again, I would choose 0,6, and that's what I recommend to you ! Edited February 18, 2017 by Olivier de St Raph add 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 On the rivets subject, I would say there are 4 visible rivets on the seat fairing. In fact, there are probably to more ones at the bottom, but they are hidden by the seat upholstery: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 P.S: and still on rivets question, I would not say the little points on the fairing (the front one) are rivets. I would say they are welding points. Indeed, we can't see any relief on them IMHO... I think this assumption was ever mentioned in the topic, sorry if it was, but it's important... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 It would be most unusual for the mechanics to weld the front fairing when they use rivets and screws everywhere else. Although welding of aluminium was known and done it was not easy, as easy as it is now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totally Mad Olivier Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Other question on which I would like to have your opinion. This enlargement of the windscreen SEEMS to show it has the same color than the body. It DOES NOT SEEM to be metal color... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Olivier de St Raph said: Being at Brussels makes that I can't work on my 806. When I have 5 mn, I see again with care our reference photos. So, I found out that I forgot a vertical line of rivets. We have IMHO 9 rivets on an oblique line and 3 more ones vertical (one is hidden by the exhaust): About these rivets, I first made them with 0,9 mm die, then 0,8, then 0,7 and I wonder if they are not still a little too big! Definitely, if I had to made them again, I would choose 0,6, and that's what I recommend to you ! After 77 (!) pages? That is one serious attention to detail ..... FFS ...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannes Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Dear Olivier , on the most photos the frame for the wind-screen seems to show unpainted metal so my frame will look like that . I´m not yet sure how the arms were mounted to the fairing . Many greetings ! hannes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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