JWM Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 One more: taken from the page: http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft26175.htm It said, that this is Republican Potez XXV with some Gnome-Rhone 420 HP engine, and machine was obsolate already at start of SCW. Note lack of MG - so likely a school machine? Regards J-W 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTiger66 Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 56 minutes ago, JWM said: One more: taken from the page: http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft26175.htm It said, that this is Republican Potez XXV with some Gnome-Rhone 420 HP engine, and machine was obsolate already at start of SCW. Note lack of MG - so likely a school machine? Regards J-W Hello J-W A kit was made of this one: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/936132-cottage-industry-models-002-potez-25-a2 They have a detail incorrect; It isn't a Gnome-Rhone motor in this one, it's a Salmson 18 CMb of 500hp. I would love to make a model of this one; one of the rarer 'flavours' . Best regards TonyT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTiger66 Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 A quick addition J-W, I've seen many profiles and some built models of Potez XXV TOE (inline engine) in Republican colours, but I've never seen a period photograph. Only the one photograph of the Nationalist TOE. Have you, or has anyone else reading the thread, ever seen a photo of a XXV TOE (inline engine) in Spanish Republican colours? Yours hopefully TonyT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Hi Tony Thanks for correction with engine type. Have you seen the profiles of Jupiter driven SCW Potezes in my previous post - the last one at page 1? They do not have numbers, so I am always a bit suspicious about them and I also prefere to see a photo. Indeed - I think I did not saw any photos besides that above radial one and TOE of Franco side. BTW - I think not each one with in-line (or rather W Lorraine) engine is TOE, TOE has a deeper fuselage I think. Here is nice set of photos of different versions: http://aerophile.over-blog.com/article-potez-25-98428071.html If i will find photo of Lorraine driven from SCW I will let you know Cheers J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTiger66 Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 Thanks Jerzy-Wojtek. Yes the TOE is Lorraine. Lots of other in-line engines. I was just covering myself in case someone may have re-engined a TOE. So many, many variations and nations. I wonder if the unarmed Salmson above was a Potez 25.12; reconnaissance variant? I've a strange feeling I have one more picture of it somewhere; burnt out . I've seen profiles and models of the Jupiter (Gnome Jupiter?) ones, but again, no photographs of them in Spain on either side. I need to read again, but the TOE in Spain was, I think, from some kind of political defector, but who, from where and why, I've forgotten . On the Breguet 19 front; this is the book I am reading, it's very old and fragile: Here inside: It has some nice pictures, actually hand pasted in: I would love to model this one too! I am using my iPhone to 'scan' each page. Then hopefully eventually make a PDF book. It is out of copyright so this should be fine. It's almost too fragile to read, but it's a book and that's what it's for, so I'm just being careful. All best regards TonyT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) 24 minutes ago, TonyTiger66 said: I've a strange feeling I have one more picture of it somewhere; burnt out . Tony- I have "two" photos of it - in fact this is a one photo and a mirror reflection of it (you can recognize it only looking on trees in background...) Cheers J-W Edited November 22, 2016 by JWM misprint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTiger66 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 I'll search my old Mac hard drive J-W. Which book is the mirror image picture? T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTiger66 Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 I just bought another Merlin kit! . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 20 hours ago, TonyTiger66 said: Which book is the mirror image picture? I do not know, I have just noticed it googling for photos... Cheers J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRK4m Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 On 22.11.2016 at 7:39 PM, TonyTiger66 said: They have a detail incorrect; It isn't a Gnome-Rhone motor in this one, it's a Salmson 18 CMb of 500hp. TonyT I'd like to point out, that (opposite to the Bristol Jupiter, even GR-built ) the Salmson 18c was twin-row, 18-cylinder WATER-COOLED radial - hence the undernose radiator. Cheers Michael 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 In a Polish small and old (does not means "bad" at all) monography of Breguet XIX (TBU series No 44 by T.J Kowalski) it is said, that Breguets 19.7 & 19.8 were military versions based on "Bidon" (not to mix with "Super bidon") and it suggested, that they used the same modified wing. There are drawings of "Bidon" by Molina and a kit of Br 19.7 and 19.8 by Omega - and the wings does not look the same. Anybody knows more on this? I appreciete any comments here. Cheers J-W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hayward Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Hello fellow Breguet XIX fans! I apologize for jumping back in here after being away from the thread for so long but I've been busy working on Formaplane's Super Bidon version, "Cuatro Vientos". A few photos to show what I've been up to: After cutting out and cleaning up all the Vac-formed parts, I sanded off the crude stringer detail on the fuselage and made new skins from plastic sheet that was embossed on the inside surface with a ball-point pen to replicate the stringers. The skins were added to the fuselage sides after the fuselage had been glued together and the main seams filled and sanded. I carefully cut away the kit's cockpit enclosure and glued it together to make a form to use in vacuforming a clear replacement for the entire area. I built a cockpit based on my best guess for what it might have looked like. Here are the fuselage skins in place, the photo also shows some of the work done with Milliput to form the wing fillets. White metal landing gear legs and some of the detail added under the nose. It gradually starts to look like an airplane! She looks good in a coat of primer. Even better in white! Lots of masking and careful painting. Paint is done. Decals are now on too, still a long way to go though. -Dan 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Beautiful work on that Super Bidon, Dan! Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehed Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Very impressive. Regards, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Blimey! & wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) Perfect work, Dan! I am impressed J-W Edited February 15, 2017 by JWM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggles.w Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Great Dan. Have been quietly watching his one progress over on hyperscale. A very worthy subject, skillfully executed. Looking forward to seeing it complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTiger66 Posted February 15, 2017 Author Share Posted February 15, 2017 That's a beauty Dan! The stringer work on the fuselage has worked really well and that's a lovely interior . Thanks for sharing this on the thread; very inspiring! TonyT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackem01 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Spanish Air Force Museum.......Replica???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hayward Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 15 hours ago, mackem01 said: Spanish Air Force Museum.......Replica???? Definitely a replica, the original was lost somewhere over Mexico. I hope it is somewhat accurate though, I'm basing a lot of the details of my model on photos of it. -Dan 15 hours ago, mackem01 said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hayward Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 On 2/14/2017 at 7:15 PM, Learstang said: Beautiful work on that Super Bidon, Dan! Regards, Jason On 2/14/2017 at 7:17 PM, stevehed said: Very impressive. Regards, Steve On 2/14/2017 at 8:07 PM, Sgt.Squarehead said: Blimey! & wow! On 2/15/2017 at 2:24 AM, JWM said: Perfect work, Dan! I am impressed J-W On 2/15/2017 at 5:39 AM, greggles.w said: Great Dan. Have been quietly watching his one progress over on hyperscale. A very worthy subject, skillfully executed. Looking forward to seeing it complete. Thank you all! -Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hayward Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 On 2/15/2017 at 7:12 AM, TonyTiger66 said: That's a beauty Dan! The stringer work on the fuselage has worked really well and that's a lovely interior . Thanks for sharing this on the thread; very inspiring! TonyT Thanks Tony. I wasn't sure how well that stringer solution was going to work, I'd only tried something similar once before and that was on a much smaller scale. I can't wait to pull the masks off the cockpit enclosure and see how much of the interior is visible! -Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Breguet 19.8, so the one with Wright Cyclone engine and 3-blades prop. They was used in Yugoslavia and later in Croatia. It could be a very interesting model.... What exactly propeller was it? Any photos? Any suggestions or tips? Cheers J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTiger66 Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 Hello J-W, There was an Omega resin model of it in 1/72. The kit parts can be seen on the pictures here: https://www.modelimex.com/1-72-breguet-bre-19-8-gnome-14kdrs-yugoslavia It's a very attractive variant. The big Yellow 'H' have got one on Special at the moment with 1/3 off. Still an expensive kit, but a nice and unusual one. Tempting ! Best regards TonyT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Hi Tony, 3 hours ago, TonyTiger66 said: There was an Omega resin model of it in 1/72. The kit parts can be seen on the pictures here: https://www.modelimex.com/1-72-breguet-bre-19-8-gnome-14kdrs-yugoslavia It's a very attractive variant. The big Yellow 'H' have got one on Special at the moment with 1/3 off. Still an expensive kit, but a nice and unusual one. I know of course this Omega kit, did not know that they have special reduction now. Thanks! However - I already started to build it a bit out of scratch . Together with Hit-Kit second one... This is a second running project, besided Polikarpovs R5 & RZ Cheers J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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