Tim Moff Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 3 hours ago, CedB said: Great progress Tim I was lucky enough to attend a talk in April '15 by George 'Johnny' Johnson, the last living British Dambuster. I posted about the talk but it seems to have gone missing - I finished "T Tommy' in August last year. There's more on the story in the posts and, of course, a WiP. Thanks Ced - your WIP is great and will be useful for all 3 builds, especially the new tool Airfix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 33 minutes ago, Dazzio said: I'll be along for the ride, being an Essex Lad (I don't own an white xr3i... Wish I did tho! ) I find the bit about Colchester rather interesting. Ive also build the Revell Lanc, watch out for the bomb bay, you'll get a nasty step in it. Need to finish the Lanc off tho. Nice to see you supporting the local guys too Tim. Warbird decals come from Leigh-on-Sea Kind Regards, Dazz -Thanks Dazz - yep been sanding the underside mounts of the bombay piece - Clearly I need to sand the actual step on the outside?! I am a Suffolk boy, but settled and married to an Essex girl! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzio Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 39 minutes ago, Tim Moff said: -Thanks Dazz - yep been sanding the underside mounts of the bombay piece - Clearly I need to sand the actual step on the outside?! I am a Suffolk boy, but settled and married to an Essex girl! fraid so mate, I tried everything I could think of to get it flush. I was in a rush tho, never the best way to make a model. I just stuck it down and just sanded the sweetheart till it was flush. Apart from that I did really did enjoy the build tho. Oh yeah, I forgot about the merlins, they got thrown out the window too (figuratively and literally). I'm trying to think of a witty comment about Suffolk but I got nothing... :/ nice area tho Kind Regards, Dazz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share Posted October 2, 2016 Any views on the HF wire Ae that is shown on the Revell box? I have yet to see a ref pic showing the 2 wire Ae in the real aircraft? Anyone know if I should model 2 AEs, 1 Ae or no HF wire Ae? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Got my Academy Mustang in the post, so the Tamiya Mossie, Academy Mustang, Airfix Vulcan and Airfix new tool await in the stash. Have got on with the internals on the 2 lancs, some work on the wings and other bits, including some masking of turrets etc.... Some kind donations of aircrew, for all 3 lancs, plus the Mossie and Mustang that come crewless. The Revell RAF aircrew appear to be giant like - but the standing guys will work I think for the Navs looking out on the Stbd side, they may also work for the lying down Bomb Aimer. The smaller figures with some 'surgery' will go into the two turrets. Getting close to closing up the fuselages. Given the inside and crew figures a wash of Floreys dark dirt to take away the 'shinyness' of the paint job, bit of metal drybrushing ets. Once buttoned up hardly anything will show. Consider scrtach building the Nav/Rad Op stations in the Airfix, but after dry fitting the Revell it seems pointless: Guy Gibson flew in light Blue RAF Shirtsleeves: Mass produced Aircrew (before final touches etc!!) Got the wings together with some Tamiya extra thin after taping up. Will look for seams at the front. Wings are a bit different. Didn't want to risk surgery on the Revell to add the correct shape....bit beyond my 'BMS'!! Engine cowlings/mounts will need some filler around the Airfix undercarriage doors! So, next step is close up, seams, build up the peripherals, filling, sanding yadayadayada....those other kits keep winking at me, my own rules normally state no more than 2 kits on the bench..... Edited October 10, 2016 by Tim Moff 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 Any offers on the correct wire antenna fits for the Lancs? Revell shows one Ae? Also any ideas on weapons carried by the pathfinding/target marking Mossies/Mustang? Be nice to add them as finishing touches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Great progress Tim and I like the crew production line OK, I'm going to crack and ask what the VW Camper van thing is on the workbench? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 19 minutes ago, CedB said: Great progress Tim and I like the crew production line OK, I'm going to crack and ask what the VW Camper van thing is on the workbench? Thanks - I do enjoy paint crews but find 1/48 a bit easier! The VW campers are crocodile clips that I use to hold various parts/ boards etc for either painting/gluing etc! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's a disease Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Ahhhh, so this is the build.... I'm looking forward to the end result. That will be quite some picture! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's a disease Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) 16 hours ago, Tim Moff said: Any offers on the correct wire antenna fits for the Lancs? Revell shows one Ae? Also any ideas on weapons carried by the pathfinding/target marking Mossies/Mustang? Be nice to add them as finishing touches! About halfway down the first page, they're in /48th but, target marking bombs for a mosquito........ Edited October 11, 2016 by It's a disease 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share Posted October 11, 2016 2 hours ago, It's a disease said: Ahhhh, so this is the build.... I'm looking forward to the end result. That will be quite some picture! Lol - don't expect too much!! I will do my best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 As far as the load for a target marking Mossie, my sense is that the bomber variants typically carried four TI's internally: the wing stations are usually seen sporting 50 or 100 gallon fuel tanks. It might be a different story for the FB.VI, since it only had internal capacity for two bombs, and therefore they may have used the wing stations to carry a meaningful load. cheers, Jason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley John Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 On 01/10/2016 at 5:32 PM, CedB said: Great progress Tim I was lucky enough to attend a talk in April '15 by George 'Johnny' Johnson, the last living British Dambuster. I posted about the talk but it seems to have gone missing - I finished "T Tommy' in August last year. There's more on the story in the posts and, of course, a WiP. That would have been an interesting talk. I recently read his book, really enjoyed it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirst89 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Looks interesting - I'm toying with this idea myself. Have you managed to get a grand slam lanc? Cheers, Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 On 10/13/2016 at 9:50 PM, Hirst89 said: Looks interesting - I'm toying with this idea myself. Have you managed to get a grand slam lanc? Cheers, Michael No - I have looked for the Grand Slam model, but they are always stupidly priced on the rare occasions I see them... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 On 10/13/2016 at 1:36 PM, JasonC said: As far as the load for a target marking Mossie, my sense is that the bomber variants typically carried four TI's internally: the wing stations are usually seen sporting 50 or 100 gallon fuel tanks. It might be a different story for the FB.VI, since it only had internal capacity for two bombs, and therefore they may have used the wing stations to carry a meaningful load. cheers, Jason Thanks Jason, reading a couple of books where they were trying to get the fuel tanks - this would have left only the Bomb Bay as you mentioned for target marking. So that may be the solution - no tanks or bombs outside, or 2 x tanks for when they got them. As the decals are Cheshires plane and period, likely go for it being clean.... The link is a 1/48 great Tamiya build/diorama for AJ-L NT202 - it has a bomb dollie with 4 bombs (they look like standard bombs rather than incendiary - Jason?)....although Wiki says a max of 2 x 250lb or 2 x 500lb could be carried internally....and it has 2 x fuel tanks.....its a great build. http://tmwcf.forumcircle.com/viewtopic.php?p=23924 Wiki Info The FB Mk VI, which first flew on 1 June 1942, was powered by two 1,460 hp (1,090 kW) Merlin 21s or 1,635 hp (1,219 kW) Merlin 25s, and introduced a re-stressed and reinforced "basic" wing structure capable of carrying single 250-pound (110 kg) or 500-pound (230 kg) bombs on racks housed in streamlined fairings under each wing, or up to eight RP-3 25lb or 60 lb rockets. In addition fuel lines were added to the wings to enable single 50 imp gal (230 l) or 100 imp gal (450 l) drop tanks to be carried under each wing.[114][149] The usual fixed armament was four 20 mm Hispano Mk.II cannon and four .303 (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns, while two 250-pound (110 kg) or 500-pound (230 kg) bombs could be carried in the bomb bay.[nb 13] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 Managed to button up both Lancs.....bit of Tamiya extra thin! With the Airfix careful positioning of the halfs was important, as was fixing the floor/bomb bay in first. The intrument panel was a pain! The fuselage halves were slightly warped, so trying to get the observation dome area right as well as the hatches etc was difficult. I will use the Kristal Klear for the hatches as again trying to fix was too difficult. The Revell went together a bit easier, but the bomb bay/floor was slightly curved, so again careful placement and alignment was important. Trying to minimise a 'step' at the seam join was again my priority to lesson the issues with sanding and losing detail...seams are my nemesis...I have used plenty of extra thin over the joins, so hopefully they will sand out. If not its either perfect plastic putty or squadron green will be used, but I can never seem to get the joins right with it (pardon the pun!)... Wings joined well and seams were pretty good with not too much work needed. basic mistake with the Revell was not to mask the fuselage windows before the join!! will need to do now! Will crack on with the last bits, engines etc...however that Mustang and Mossie box are...just ...sat...there,,, 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 Have managed to get on a bit with the 2 Lancs - inbetween a late entry into the Mustang STGB - which allowed me to build the Mustang III (Academy 1/72) that Wing Comd Cheshire flew whilst leading 617 Sqn. Not yet complete, but the build thread is here. Latest Mustang III Pics Hopefully get the green on tomorrow. Week left to get her done. The old Airfix tool Lanc: Wings and Tail planes not glued on - easier to do separately. Next stage is the brown cam. Got most of the glass parts masked, what a job! Revell new tool: Have had a few issues with the top join/fuse/seam - I think the bomb bay insert causes a few fit issues. It keeps splitting, even with lots of TET and clamps. And I hate seams....just going to have to live with it! The pair together: So want to get the last glass parts and turrets completed, the mine struts etc on the Airfix kit. Using Mr Paints paint, that go on lovely straight from the bottle into the airbrush. Had a lot of thoughts about aircraft to model. The Colchester reservoir mentioned in Gibsons log (actually called Abberton Reservoir), which is a KM up the road, was the training location for Target B (or Y!), the Eder Dam. This was to prove a tricky target due to the terrain and specifics height and airspeed wise for the attack run. Gibson acted as the raid 'director' at the Eder. Shannon tried first in L-Leather. He struggled and Gibson called him off for Maudslay in Z-Zebra to try. Again he struggled. Back cam L Leather and on the 6th run of his second set, he released his mine with a DH. Back came Z-Zebra, who released his mine, which struck the parapet and exploded. Z- Zebra climbed away, after a brief radio message. Never to be heard of again, fatally damaged by his own mine. Knight, with the last remaining Mine was called in. N-Nuts released its weapon on the 2nd run, scoring a DH. This was decisive and the Eder was breached. I have decided to build the Airfix old tool as Gibsons G-George, minus its mine, having hit the Mohne, directing his men over the Eder. The crew made it home, sadly, all were to be KIA in later actions. The Mine in the kit is poor, with slats etc, rather than smooth, so will be omitted. I will model the Revell new tool as Z-Zebra. Its mine directly struck the parapet, without 'bouncing'. It flew on, off course, was shot down over Emmerich near the Dutch border, sadly all of its crew were KIA. When I build the new tool Airfix, I will model it as N-Nuts, flown by Knight and his crew. Knight was to be KIA in a later 617 Sqn raid, keeping his aircraft high enough to allow his crew to bail out and survive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 All looking good Tim I'm not sure if you've seen it already but there's a mine of information at http://www.dambusters.org.uk. Great reference for the crew, aircraft, missions and after story. HTH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 15 hours ago, CedB said: All looking good Tim I'm not sure if you've seen it already but there's a mine of information at http://www.dambusters.org.uk. Great reference for the crew, aircraft, missions and after story. HTH Many thanks - yes used the site and a couple of ref books, and your build thread as it goes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 Pics not the best, started with Mr Paints Dark Earth, mottled on as best I can, its really thin. I then added a couple of drops of white and added some lighter areas. Next phase will be to spray a misting coat over the areas just enough to add tonal variation. Lets see if it works! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbudde Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Late, but I'm in here. Looking good so far. Cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Moff Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 Misted top coat on.... Couple of days at work then some TOIL - hopefully get the Dark Green on - after some copious masking or dare I freehand?! Masking likely! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomoshenko Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Just caught up with this Tim. Nice project and nice work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Weren't the dambuster lancs brand new a/c ? If so I wouldn't go mad on the weathering. I maybe wrong . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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