ZitchDog Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 So my first model was written off by using Humbrol Matt clear coat. I am just at the stage of decals on my second, should I try again with the Humbrol Matt or try something new? I am now airbrushing which I didn't on my last model and I also think I may have not stirred the Matt coat enough last time. I will do a test piece prior to my model however it was only ruined in patches so a clear test piece could be misleading? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levin Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 (edited) I may ask what your exact problem was Silvering on the decals or a "dusty" or "foggy" look? Probably just my read comprehension but i better ask Maybe i can help Edited August 28, 2016 by Levin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jusjay Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Is it the acrylic Matt or the enamel based Matt? Both need a very good shake and I put a ball bearing in with mine and haven't had any problems with the enamel based version whatsoever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZitchDog Posted August 28, 2016 Author Share Posted August 28, 2016 Sorry yes I should of said, it left large areas of white when it dried. It's the enamel based Matt, I might add a ball bearing to mix, good shout. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heath Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 I would get some Winsor & Newton Galeria matt varnish. Its pretty bullet proof and widely available in art / craft shops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZitchDog Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 Cheers Nigel, Well I have come down this morning and the gloss coat I applied last night isn't great, it's also left milky patches once again. I don't know what went wrong with that this time. humidity wasn't high. I'm debating just forgetting the varnish coats. Anyone do this or is the outcome just too poor from it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZitchDog Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 I would get some Winsor & Newton Galeria matt varnish. Its pretty bullet proof and widely available in art / craft shops. I have found this locally however it states acrylic matt varnish, will it still work on enamels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I use ' Galeria ' matt varnish over acrylic and enamels and it works for me. The Galeria dries dead flat, if you need a slight sheen I would suggest DecoArt ' Americana ' Their matt does not dry completely flat which is ideal for some finishes. Good luck John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjw Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Cheers Nigel, Well I have come down this morning and the gloss coat I applied last night isn't great, it's also left milky patches once again. I don't know what went wrong with that this time. humidity wasn't high. I'm debating just forgetting the varnish coats. Anyone do this or is the outcome just too poor from it? Don't let this bad experience put you off varnishes. They are vital and you will regret it in the long run when dust starts to accumulate around or even under the edges of your decals. You just need to find the right product for you. As Nigel suggests, the Galeria range is popular with people on here. I brush on the original Johnson's Klear or I'll airbrush on Alclad varnishes which work straight from the bottle. It will require a bit of trial and error, but I'm sure you will find what works for you. Hth, Tom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZitchDog Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 Thanks guys, I know what i did wrong with my gloss coat, too high psi and and sprayed too far from the model so it has given a slightly bumpy effect, going to see if another (properly applied) layer will help solve it, although its not too bad at the minute just not very gloss. Going to pop out and pick up some of the galleria varnish also and give it a bash once, thanks for all the advice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamLouiseModellers Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I personally use Vallejo varnishes. Value for money and very robust in durability. Will work perfectly on enamels and there's no fogging or discolouration especially on white . Humbrol seem to be lacking with their varnishes. I've had the same problem in the past. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depressed lemur Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I use Klear as a varnish got a nice sayin finish. For matt, I still have a lot of Hannants own varnish I bought a few years ago. Dilute with water and it airbrushed fine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZitchDog Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 Well I give up, managed to salvage it this morning and thought I would attempt the gloss again and now the model is completely ruined and in the bin. Think I might just give up for a while and come back to it when I'm not completely ******** off with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwh Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I too can fully recommend the W&N varnish, works perfectly over enamel paints. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamLouiseModellers Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Zitchdog, never throw them away , you can always go back to them. I throw around 15 models of various groups which I had from a teenager, I wish I'd kept them now. I'd suggest finding a cheapish kit probably in a sale which you can experiment on, you can perfect what you want on that before moving onto the real thing. DWH, can the W&N be sprayed clean or does it have to be thinned down? Vallejo's range can be sprayed straight from the bottle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZitchDog Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share Posted August 29, 2016 Zitchdog, never throw them away , you can always go back to them. I throw around 15 models of various groups which I had from a teenager, I wish I'd kept them now. I'd suggest finding a cheapish kit probably in a sale which you can experiment on, you can perfect what you want on that before moving onto the real thing. DWH, can the W&N be sprayed clean or does it have to be thinned down? Vallejo's range can be sprayed straight from the bottle. Yea i should have kept it, but the sight of it offended my eyes! lol. Thinking of popping out buying a cheap one as you say. Thinking along the lines of the airfix bf109 as im pretty sure the store around the corner has them in stock. Another part of me just cant be bothered right now also though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamLouiseModellers Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I know what you mean lol, it looks like a chimp made it 😂. The BF109 should be perfect for an experimental kit. It helps alot without ruining good expensive kits as the case maybe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlindawg Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I bought a bunch of cheap revel and Airfix 1:72 kits so that I can practice on something that I don't mind ruining. At a fiver a pop I'm not going to loose any sleep if a clear coat goes awry. So far I've had good success with Gunze "Mr Super Clear" from an aerosol and Tamiya clears XF-86 and X-22 airbrushed. I've yet to try the X-35 satin but that's next in line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heath Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I have found this locally however it states acrylic matt varnish, will it still work on enamels? Of course. can the W&N be sprayed clean or does it have to be thinned down? It is rather thick in the bottle so I just thin it with some tap water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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