junglierating Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) Anyone seen the new phenoms the raf have just got for multi engine training...look pretty sleek. http://militaryaviationreview.com/first-images-of-new-raf-trainers. This a link apologize Mr moderator if I'm not allowed to do that Edited August 20, 2016 by junglierating 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Beautiful looking aircraft superb scheme too,thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascoteer Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Hmm. Pretty little jet but I'm not sure how good it will be for teaching assymetric flight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepboy Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Pretty aircraft and nice scheme - is it me or is the blue a little lighter than expected? Not the usual dark blue we have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latinbear Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Out of interest does anybody know how much choice does the military i.e. all three services have in the contractors' choice of aircraft whether it be helicopters at Shawbury, multi-engine trainers such as the Phenoms or the Texan T6s etc? I'm sure they'll be criteria of course in terms of the output required such as number of students, standard of training achieved etc but are there requirements around how such standards are reached and the equipment used? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dambuster Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Hmm. Pretty little jet but I'm not sure how good it will be for teaching assymetric flight. Surely all the modern multi-engined aircraft - P-8, Voyager, A400M - have a computer to take care of assymetric thrust cases. Isn't the crew just there to monitor what the systems do?..... Peter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickers McFunbus Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Surely all the modern multi-engined aircraft - P-8, Voyager, A400M - have a computer to take care of assymetric thrust cases. Isn't the crew just there to monitor what the systems do?..... Peter Just as well we don't have any legacy multi engine types any more, like the Sentry, Rivet Joint, C-130, King Air (Shadow), 146 or Defender. Oh, wait a sec... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 Just as well we don't have any legacy multi engine types any more, like the Sentry, Rivet Joint, C-130, King Air (Shadow), 146 or Defender. Oh, wait a sec... Oops look what I've started=-O 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depressed lemur Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Pretty aircraft and nice scheme - is it me or is the blue a little lighter than expected? Not the usual dark blue we have... It looked the right colour in the hanger guv. Must be a trick of the light. It'll be fine once you put a few miles on it, an worst case, we can always scuff it up a bit, no-one will notice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickers McFunbus Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I'm intrigued by the Phenom purely for the same reasons alluded to be Ascoteer. After all it's far easier to train on an aeroplane that is technically more complex (in some ways) to operate than a later type. Purely from a pure Multis skill point of view, a basic trainer along the lines of a DA42 would have been more suited to teach multi-engine handing before maybe moving onto a more pointy type for any applied flying. Then again, we're also getting a rocket ship for EFT, sans bang seats (good luck opening the canopy to bail out) and oxygen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeepboy Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 It looked the right colour in the hanger guv. Must be a trick of the light. It'll be fine once you put a few miles on it, an worst case, we can always scuff it up a bit, no-one will notice. Thanks for the info...must be great for morale to see some new shiny stuff coming through 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascoteer Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Surely all the modern multi-engined aircraft - P-8, Voyager, A400M - have a computer to take care of assymetric thrust cases. Isn't the crew just there to monitor what the systems do?..... Peter Well aye if you want mere button pushers who will be damn all use when the excrement hits the extraction unit (yeah that worked well for Air France didn't it? Not!), because computer controlled systems on aircraft (especially Airbus ones) have never been known to go wrong. Right? Oh, hang on... But if you want Service Pilots with handling skills and Airmanship... Also, Sim assymetric flying is also a way of putting a stude under pressure to see how he/she reacts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Looks like a modernised baby HS 125 to me,......pretty boring too. Pity Britain cannot produce its own training aircraft anymore,......apart from the Hawk of course, Cheers Tony 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascoteer Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 The 125 was a cracking jet, but I wouldn't have wanted to use it in the AFTS role. The other problem I foresee with using the Phenom over the King Air is going to be performance related given that 45R Sqn 'studes' these days have not done BFTS on the Tucano but arrive directly from EFTS with only some 60 hrs on the Grob Tutor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dambuster Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Well aye if you want mere button pushers who will be damn all use when the excrement hits the extraction unit (yeah that worked well for Air France didn't it? Not!), because computer controlled systems on aircraft (especially Airbus ones) have never been known to go wrong. Right? Oh, hang on... But if you want Service Pilots with handling skills and Airmanship... . Hmmm.... Didn't the Voyager recover from the allegedly-crew-induced nose over because of the flight envelope protection system and not from the application of 'handling skills and airmanship'? .... Guess that makes it evens :-) Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Hmmm.... Didn't the Voyager recover from the allegedly-crew-induced nose over because of the flight envelope protection system and not from the application of 'handling skills and airmanship'? .... Guess that makes it evens :-) Peter The word is that this was caused by the pilot putting his camera down and then pulling his chair forward,.....causing the camera to jam the controls forward!!! There have been a raft of PTSD claims by passengers,......... I dare say that it was scary but it sounds like a few people are trying to work their ticket over this one!! Cheers Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Pretty aircraft and nice scheme - is it me or is the blue a little lighter than expected? Not the usual dark blue we have... It looked the right colour in the hanger guv. Must be a trick of the light. It'll be fine once you put a few miles on it, an worst case, we can always scuff it up a bit, no-one will notice. Or..... Paint it the correct shade of blue then take all your publicity shots under different lighting environments. You'll keep the on-line aviation modelling community occupied for years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) Well that's a certainty it will make someones day..is there a kit out ? Edited August 22, 2016 by junglierating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 Crikey there is http://paperinside.com/#page/188paper though :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatbox8 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Well that's a certainty it will make someones day..is there a kit out ? I wouldn't be surprised if RVHP bring one out soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 I wouldn't be surprised if RVHP bring one out soon.ummm RVHP ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 http://www.rvhpmodels.cz/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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