keefr22 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 It's a shame Mr. Nicholson chopped the nose off, but it looks like the 1/76 Oxford Diecast Fordson I bought a few years back, for what I had no idea at the time. Maybe it was so that unknowingly in future I would be able to paint it yellow & have it towing my Trumpy Gannet T5...! When you say 'blue ones' do you mean RAF Blue Grey like your cabs? Apologies for the thread drift, I'll stop wittering on about shore based tractors now.... Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexN Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 No matter what the (thread) topic, you can never have too many Gannet photos . Tractor looking as though it's 1:1, Mr Crisp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share Posted August 4, 2017 Keith, I seem to recall the shore tractors being a dark blue similar to RAF BG, but memory is notoriously unreliable and we are talking 30 years since I was Culdrose based (after my first tour, most of my post-training flying career was spent at either Portland or Prestwick). Alex is right, though. You can never have too many photos of Sir John Fairey's products... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share Posted August 4, 2017 13 hours ago, massimo said: Hi, I'm really impressed by this project! All the ingredients are there!!! The Sea King could be really mistaked with a real one. The riveting work, as well as the model preparation for it were stunning!!! A few years ago I tried to convert a Sea King into an HH3F and the riveting was something that made me really crazy! Unfortinately I abandoned the project as I had used too thin plastic card to convert it and with the summer heat it got all mishaped!!! Anyway, watching your Wip really got me stuck to my PC all night yesterday and I enjoyed every single page of it!!! The helicopter on its own, with tail and rotors bent could have been a bit static on its own, but the tractor adds that something to the project that gives it life and makes it so dynamic!!! A really love it!!! Looking forward for your next update!!! Massimo - thank you; coming from a builder of your skill, that is high praise. Shame about the HH3; judging from these pictures I'd say it was shaping up really nicely! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) Makes me sick! I walked away from an early boxing of the HH3 Jolly Green at our "Last Ever Brum Show" meaning, as you do, to go back after I'd seen "the rest of this row" Still, could be worse, it was a mate who did get it... 😱😱 I wonder, however I already have sufficient S61 derivatives to be getting on with There's an S61N in the offing, later on. 😱 Massimo I do wish you had finished that beauty Edited August 4, 2017 by perdu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 11 minutes ago, perdu said: Massimo I do wish you had finished that beauty Massimo of course is now occupied with a rather more elegant flying machine........ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, AlexN said: No matter what the (thread) topic, you can never have too many Gannet photos . Consider this a gift from me then, Gannet and Ford at Lossie, Aug 1975. there's even a Crisp cab at rear left. Gannet AEW.3 XL471 043 R Lossiemouth Aug 1975 by James Thomas, on Flickr 49 minutes ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: Keith, I seem to recall the shore tractors being a dark blue similar to RAF BG, but memory is notoriously unreliable and we are talking 30 years since I was Culdrose based (after my first tour, most of my post-training flying career was spent at either Portland or Prestwick). Alex is right, though. You can never have too many photos of Sir John Fairey's products... I think they would have been in the Ford tractor colour blue, but I could be wrong. These should bring back memories, believe from early 1980s http://www.globalaviationresource.com/reports/2011/military-aviation-royal-naval-air-station-culdrose-then-and-now/images/1.jpg http://www.globalaviationresource.com/reports/2011/military-aviation-royal-naval-air-station-culdrose-then-and-now/images/2.jpg The majority of Navy tractors seemed to have been Fordson / Ford, some being Detxa (2000?) models. There is a nice one in the Fleet Air Arm Museum reserve collection. Edited August 4, 2017 by 71chally links 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: Keith, I seem to recall the shore tractors being a dark blue similar to RAF BG, but memory is notoriously unreliable and we are talking 30 years since I was Culdrose based Thanks Crisp. And I know what you mean, there was some discussion on a Hurricane thread in RFI as to its spinner colour. Thinking about it afterwards, I realised that I cannot for the life of meremember what colour our Bulldog spinners were. 99.9 % certain they were white. But they could have been black. Or grey....! Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 14 minutes ago, keefr22 said: Thinking about it afterwards, I realised that I cannot for the life of meremember what colour our Bulldog spinners were. 99.9 % certain they were white. But they could have been black. Keith Both Keith! Crisp (and many!) will know the pilot of the first one, and may have encountered the engineer in the left hand seat of the second one Bulldog C.1 XX668 I G-CBAN 1 Apr 15 by James Thomas, on Flickr Bulldog XX668 19 June 14 by James Thomas, on Flickr This is obviously a preserved example, but the UWAS and majority of UAS Bullfrogs were the same 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexN Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Thank you very much for the second lovely Gannet photo, James. I got to it jusy after I'd run out of likes, I'm sorry. Nice Ford tractor, too. Nce ones of the Bulldog, too . As an off-topc and rather bizarre observation, the u/c of the Bulldog lookes almost exactly like the u/c on the General Aircraft 'Skyfarer' a late 30s civil aircraft with twin fins - but no rudders. Designed to be supposedly 'unspinnable', and a cousin to the much more famous 'Ercoupe'. I mention it because I am currently building a 2.15 metre r/c version of the Skyfarer, and am currently tooling up (literally) to make a sprung 'oleo' noseleg. Once - or if - I can work out how to do it. The leg has to steer as well as go up and down, you see... Cheers, the alex. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 As I was feeling a wee bit guilty about being partly to blame for the thread drift,I thought I'd show this picture of one of the first Royal Navy SeaKings to visit HMS Fulmar 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdave22014 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 I was just about to point out that's not a Sea King but after a second look, never mind! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share Posted August 4, 2017 6 hours ago, 71chally said: Both Keith! Crisp (and many!) will know the pilot of the first one, and may have encountered the engineer in the left hand seat of the second one Bulldog C.1 XX668 I G-CBAN 1 Apr 15 by James Thomas, on Flickr Bulldog XX668 19 June 14 by James Thomas, on Flickr This is obviously a preserved example, but the UWAS and majority of UAS Bullfrogs were the same The legendary Beatts (whom I've only just forgiven for baling out of a Sea Fury FB11 at Prestwick...) in one, but don't recognise the second 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Objectively speaking all we 'not pilots but had a bit of training' like to think we could have brought the Sea Fury floating safely down on the gentle forgiving Caledonian grass but to be fair it is actually far better to stay alive I'm in favour of option two Even though the world might have held less forgiving opinions ☺ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huvut76g7gbbui7 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Bigdave22014 said: but after a second look, I wondered if anybody would bite! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said: The legendary Beatts (whom I've only just forgiven for baling out of a Sea Fury FB11 at Prestwick...) in one, but don't recognise the second I remember attending a talk many years ago, just after WG655 had force landed in a field near Yeovilton, John Beattie appeared and started with the line "yes, I'm the chap that crashed two Sea Furies". In reality he was unfortunate to suffer two sets of mechanical failures and did well to survive them both. The second chap there is a fine ex WAFU who twiddled with Wasps, amongst other things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 On 03/08/2017 at 0:31 PM, Ex-FAAWAFU said: I assume mine was a Mk.1; it had the Demin tank for the Sea Harrier water injection system (003 is being topped up in my 1988 pic), but not the large red tank in the left wing. It also had a small black extinguisher (electrical fires?) attached to the steering column - maybe instead of the right-wibg-mounted version? I disagree with the above comment about the colour of the extinguisher on the steering column. It's not black, it's gloss dark green, Humbrol number 3 would probably do, and is of a rather noxious gas which I can;t remember the name of Had them in the RAF while I was serving which was during the little thing down south was on. I remember being told that if I had to use that type of extinguisher make sure I didn't breath any of it in. Gondor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 On 3/8/2017 at 12:06, Ex-FAAWAFU said: Bill, you might be right - hard to tell from this shot whether the pot is metal or not. The instructions of the resin tractor (see about 6 pages ago) suggest it's metal, so I have gone with that. Up to London for funeral of old friend's 90+ year old Mum, but then (separate!) beers with a Naval oppo. c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 That would be BCF. Bromo Chloro Formaldihyde. (Probably spelt wrongly) The use of which was banned by some H & S organization. The extinguishers were supposed to have been withdrawn from use at some point in time, yet were usually still to be seen on Houchins for instance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gondor44 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Pete in Lincs said: That would be BCF. Bromo Chloro Formaldihyde. (Probably spelt wrongly) The use of which was banned by some H & S organization. The extinguishers were supposed to have been withdrawn from use at some point in time, yet were usually still to be seen on Houchins for instance. That sounds right to me Gondor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) I think if you could put all those rivets on a straight line, you may cover the distance from John o'Groats to Cornwall!!! Edited August 5, 2017 by massimo2 Wrong word 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 10 hours ago, 71chally said: Both Keith! Crisp (and many!) will know the pilot of the first one, and may have encountered the engineer in the left hand seat of the second one Bulldog C.1 XX668 I G-CBAN 1 Apr 15 by James Thomas, on Flickr This is obviously a preserved example, but the UWAS and majority of UAS Bullfrogs were the same After my time James - I do remember ours had plain black prop blades with yellow tips! @Dr Evilon here flew those post update machines with UWAS in that scheme & disparigingly calls our original (& best!) Billies, the steam driven variant! Once again, apols for thread drifting Crisp... Keith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) 30 years ago Bulldogs had the Black and white spinner/prop style as shown above, the rear face of the prop was black with a yellow tip though, which is what we are seeing here on this UWAS Bulldog, https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/full_size_0105/1159292-large.jpg They were delivered to the RAF with grey props with red/white tips and red spinners, but that didn't last long before they went to the above scheme c.1978. Edited August 4, 2017 by 71chally 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 On 03/08/2017 at 10:58 PM, keefr22 said: It's a shame Mr. Nicholson chopped the nose off, but it looks like the 1/76 Oxford Diecast Fordson I bought a few years back, for what I had no idea at the time. Maybe it was so that unknowingly in future I would be able to paint it yellow & have it towing my Trumpy Gannet T5...! When you say 'blue ones' do you mean RAF Blue Grey like your cabs? Apologies for the thread drift, I'll stop wittering on about shore based tractors now.... Keith From Paul Beaver's Encyclopedia of the Modern Royal Navy the tractors were mainly Ford 2600s and 4100s which were being replaced (in the mid 1980s) by Ford 3600s. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 58 minutes ago, 71chally said: RAF with grey props with red/white tips and red spinners, See what i mean about my colour memory?! I really don't remember red spinners! But the grey/red/white prop blades are ringing a bell. As is said props having black/yellow tipped rear faces..?? I was with UWAS Sept 75-August 78. I have some dogeared black & white prints of our aeroplanes somewhere, I'll have to see if i can find them. Keith Edit, sorry James didn't read your post properly & completely missed your first line & the bit about the rear of the prop blades. i'm glad i'm not going completely senile! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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