ZE419, a Sea King HAS5 that (temporarily) forgot how to fly

[perdu]

Thank you Crisp, always get a clear answer when I ask you stuff

 

I wonder if that's why I keep asking?  ☺

 

I'm familiar with the strap self gripping end pieces, we used similar kit on roadside recovery to stop peoples motorbikes falling off

 

If I have this right the ring bolt eyes lie flat but when yon 'grubber or chockhead' hooks his strap end in it lifts up out of the hole to get a grip

 

Great photos, I haven't forgotten there's to be a Gannet soon and also now I've received a couple of canopies a phantom or two too

 

The pics will be in my proper pooter's hard drive in a jiffy

 

Thanks again

Edited April 26, 2017 by perdu

[bzn20]

4 hours ago, perdu said:

 Extremely dopey intro taken away, some days I'm dafter than a daft person being very...

Daft

 

Those great explanatory pictures help a lot, just the odd extra exposition invited if you wouldn't mind

 

The hooky things on the floor of the boat, are they hinged lift up rings or would they be a fixed hook lying flat to the deck in a recess?

 

Are there adjusting ratchets on the straps or just self gripping sleeves?

 

I love this stuff, the minutiae of things

 

Thinking ont'it it might be too little by far to model in 'proper scale' so I'll see how it goes

 We used Ratchet Strops, hook up both ends, there is a handle on the ratchet pulley and pump the handle 'til you can't any more. To slacken take lock off.

[moaning dolphin]

1 hour ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said:

You need a Grubber (even better, a Chockhead, but I don't think we have any of those on this forum).

 

@moaning dolphin  Have I missed anything, or am I talking nonsense anywhere

 

Nope, I think you have comprehensively covered everything. From my time on board it was always nylon on deck and chains in hangar. I don't recall chains for Seakings on deck but then again if it was going to be harry roughers then everything would be stowed below unless the zoomies (Harriers)took up too much space then a Seaking would be squeezed out onto the deck. I never saw this happen but if it was going to be left on deck with FRB gear I would say chains would be more than appropriate. On deck only Harriers were chain lashed, again because they think they are soooo special and nylons weren't good enough for them.

 

The ring bolts were on all ships apart from Intrepid (and therefore possibly Fearless), she had a different arrangement with like a recessed 'X' that you slipped an 'elephants foot' in which housed the ring and then lashed in the usual way. I think the USN use (or did) a similar system.

 

 Near the end of any trip chain lashings and the 'bottle jacks'(screw jacks - never knew where the bottle reference came into it.) would be in very short supply, mainly because if anyone left the ship (normally by air) they would leave their kit in the hanger to be packed aboard the chopper. If it was left unattended jack, being the mischievous so and so that he is, would weigh down the leavers luggage just so they would have to struggle with it. The handiest weights were always chains and bottle jacks! I flew home once from Sierra Leone and had to leave my kit on board to come back separately. When I received it there were two full chains and 5 bottle jacks stuffed in it! My how I laughed!

 

Bob

[moaning dolphin]

Oops forgot to mention the riveting detail, bl@@dy nice I must say

 

Bob

[Brandy]

1 hour ago, Kirk said:

 

I read somewhere that the equivalent for the Harrier is the lowly broom handle. Am I right in thinking that you don't want the engine windmilling because there isn't sufficient oil pressure to protect the bearings? Or just because it is irritatingly noisy?

There is zero oil pressure when the engine isn't running, so you really don't want it freespinning in the wind. On the PT6A turboprops I fly, the shaft speed is reduced by about 17:1 so one turn of the prop is 17 turns of the shaft, all with no oil.... I had a bearing failure on take-off a couple of weeks ago. the only indication I had was an overtemp, which resulted in me shutting down immediately. The engineer later showed me a pic of the oil filters covered in what looked like glitter (bits of bearing!), and a bag full of gear teeth which came out of the accessory box with the oil! Apparently I was lucky. The fuel control unit sensed a slow down, caused by the gear teeth failing, and pumped in more fuel resulting in the overtemp...without that indication I would have continued the take off before it all went bang in a spectacular fashion, probably right at rotation.....

 

Ian

[Ex-FAAWAFU]

2 hours ago, moaning dolphin said:

 

The ring bolts were on all ships apart from Intrepid (and therefore possibly Fearless), she had a different arrangement with like a recessed 'X' that you slipped an 'elephants foot' in which housed the ring and then lashed in the usual way. 

 

I'd totally forgotten the elephants foot - and since I worked on Fearless' flight deck throughout the Falklands War, that's a bit embarrassing.  The large flat space at the rear of ID / FS was not designed as a flight deck, but an "upper vehicle deck" - the original intention being that they would operate alongside an LPH [Albion or the Rusty B], which would provide all the helo assets.  That's probably why they had a different design of tie-down points.  

[Pete in Lincs]

5 hours ago, Kirk said:

there isn't sufficient oil pressure to protect the bearings?

I believe you just won a coconut.

Props are turned for pre and post flight inspections

but not to excess to protect the bearings etc.

It also stops someone walking into a turning prop.

Even at low speed they can do nasty things to your average human.

[keefr22]

Interesting variation in the prop tips on the Gannett. And I don't recall seeing white painted tips before....

 

Great pics & info on how to tie things down too Crisp - every day's a school day on here!

 

Good stuff! 

 

Keith

[xffw45343tg]

5 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said:

I believe you just won a coconut.

Fantastic! Where do I collect?

 

5 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said:

Even at low speed they can do nasty things to your average human.

I didn't think they let average humans on a flight deck?

 

Talking of which, is it nearly time for the resumption of normal service on the Ark? Just think of all those poor half built tiny little Harriers languishing unloved in the "build me" box... And who else is looking forward to Crisp's demonstration of how to rivet a Sea King or two in 1:350 scale?

[Ex-FAAWAFU]

18 hours ago, Kirk said:

I didn't think they let average humans on a flight deck?

 

Talking of which, is it nearly time for the resumption of normal service on the Ark? Just think of all those poor half built tiny little Harriers languishing unloved in the "build me" box... And who else is looking forward to Crisp's demonstration of how to rivet a Sea King or two in 1:350 scale?

 

Most Chockheads I ever met would find average a distantly unattainable dream... (sorry, Joe; only joking!)

 

 

 

The resumption of Ark is definitely next in line once the Sea King is finished.  Since I last did any meaningful work on her, two people have gone out of their way to help me with areas that had given me a lot of head-scratching and trouble; I now have 3D printed satcom aerials (already fitted - I think I documented those), and last week Peter Hall kindly sent me a resin UAA1 aerial liberated from the upcoming Atlantic Models Type 21.  Needless to say, Peter's Type 21 looks as awesome as all his kits; luckily I never served in a 21, so can talk myself out of adding to the DLG (Norfolk), Ikara Leander (Dido) and Ton Class (Stubbington) already sitting in my stash.  If/when he gets round to the Type 22, however, I need a Batch 1 and a Batch 2 (Broadsword & Boxer respectively).  He already knows this, since I am always nagging him to forget all this Type 42 nonsense and get on with a proper escort.  

 

[Exit left, pursued by assorted Air Defence geeks].

 

I cannot accept the generosity of these lovely people and then continue to let Ark languish on the Shelf of Postponement.

 

Be warned, though, that there is still plenty of work to do on the island and (especially) the catwalks before I venture anywhere near the air group.  

 

I've already completely riveted all the 1/350 Sea Kings though; did you miss it?

 

 

[TheBaron]

On 26/04/2017 at 1:41 PM, perdu said:

 

Great photos, I haven't forgotten there's to be a Gannet soon and also now I've received a couple of canopies a phantom or two too

Gannet? Gannet? Who's doing a Gannet?

 

Excellent information here on helicopter bondage btw.

 

[Ex-FAAWAFU]

Enough... ahem... bondage (Baron's phrase, not mine) - back to the rivets.

 

Now that the nose is sorted out, it's been varnished, so I can start moving forwards; up till now I stopped at the stub wing.  So here are most of the horizontal rivet runs on and around the door; verticals over the weekend.  

 

The carrier film (which will come off tomorrow)  is quite obvious on some of those - must be something to do with the light / camera.  

 

More soon

 

Crisp

 

P.S. A little more for this evening.  Some of the Sea King rivets - or rather fasteners - are a good deal more agricultural (even) than the ones I am portraying with HGW.  For instance, the things that fasten the GRP fairing around the compression strut (the diagonal strut that braces the top of the sponson to the fuselage) are noticeably bigger and further apart - hardly surprising, since unlike rivets they are designed to come undone to allow the strut to be inspected after, say, a heavy landing.  Here is the real thing:

 

...and here, in really horrible close-up, is my effort, using Archers' rivets for a change.

Edited April 28, 2017 by Ex-FAAWAFU

[hendie]

s'funny how looking at a photograph of hunnerts and hunnerts of little silver dots can be so captivating.   

[xffw45343tg]

59 minutes ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said:

Enough... ahem... bondage (Baron's phrase, not mine) - back to the rivets.

 

If the strap fits...

[perdu]

I loves them little dots too

 

Tony its me

 

I'm going to be Ganneting later

 

Much later. 😵

[Ex-FAAWAFU]

...and, as I stop for the night, an angle you have never seen before (because I never got as far as riveting the nose first time round).  The iPhone lens distorts this a little; the lines look more parallel in real life!

 

[Ex-FAAWAFU]

Today's work complete, which means that the port side is now almost done - a few details to add, notably under the pilot's window, on the sponson and further aft on the boat hull.

 

First, an unforgiving close-up of the forward port side:

 

Second, a rather more representative view of the whole of the port side.

 

Once weathered - still a fair way into the future, since the starboard side is barely touched yet, and the underneath not at all - I think this is going to give me exactly the look I was after (especially when things like the weapons wiring draws your eye elsewhere.

 

Happy!

 

More soon

 

Crisp

[hendie]

1 hour ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said:

First, an unforgiving close-up...

 

you are forgiven!

 

I'd love to see this in the flesh someday.  (I'd even pay postage  )

 

 

Sadly, the unfortunate thing about this entire build (apart from the fact that one day it will end....) is that now you have raised the bar so high with this endeavor , the combined masses of your followers shall expect no less in ALL your future builds

[Ex-FAAWAFU]

13 minutes ago, hendie said:

 

you are forgiven!

 

I'd love to see this in the flesh someday.  (I'd even pay postage  )

 

 

Sadly, the unfortunate thing about this entire build (apart from the fact that one day it will end....) is that now you have raised the bar so high with this endeavor , the combined masses of your followers shall expect no less in ALL your future builds

 

So what exactly are you saying about my previous builds...?  ;-)

[coneheadff]

This is an incredible build!!!!

[hendie]

5 hours ago, Ex-FAAWAFU said:

So what exactly are you saying about my previous builds...?  ;-)

 

erhmnnnnnnnnn *cough*  -  okay, ya got me there !

[Pete in Lincs]

I think you'll have to factor in more

time for your future builds. Anything

in the past was easy compared to this.

 

There, does that get Hendie out of the hole?

[andyf117]

Content withdrawn - I will NOT be threatened by a moderator, simply because I queried the actions of another...

Edited June 27, 2020 by andyf117

[Ex-FAAWAFU]

Front end done.

[TheBaron]

I've spent so many weeks now watching this beast develop to its current level of detail that it's actually ceased to be a model kit and turned into some kind constantly evolving and beguiling artefact. The withdrawal symptoms when it's all over I don't wish to contemplate!

Tony