Monty Python Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Looking for the grey used by the Germans on their field guns etc. Would Tamiya XF63 be a good match? TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatfingers Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Aye up. German grey varied from a very dark grey to a blue grey shade. I've used Tamiya XF63 on a few builds and it tends to have a nice bluish hue to it that looks pleasing. You could also lift the colour by misting on various lighter shades of grey. A mate of mine brush painted it onto a Flak 88 kit and got the same results by dry brushing lighter shades on top. Washes and weathering can also change the base colour too. Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 What scale are you working in? I believe XF-63 is acceptable as a deepest shade in 1/35 but in 1/72 you will need to lighten it by about 40%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Python Posted August 14, 2016 Author Share Posted August 14, 2016 What scale are you working in? I believe XF-63 is acceptable as a deepest shade in 1/35 but in 1/72 you will need to lighten it by about 40%. 1:35. It's for the AFV Club SW-60 searchlight and trailer. Looking at some walkaround piccies, they seem to have been kept very clean with very little weathering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 It is a very dark colour so shoot some on a mule with a bit of detail and see how it looks.....Might be worth thinking about some sort of post shading to avoid it looking dead flat and sucking all the life out of the model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackG Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Tamiya's XF-63 is what I would use. Just to be clear, there was only one shade of dunkelgrau issued to factories for painting equipment. The strong blues you see people modeling is the influence of the Spanish school of painting. If you want to lighten the colour, either before application or afterwards as part of the weathering process, that's your prerogative. regards, Jack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Paint a 1/72 Panzer IV in raw XF-63 and it will look like a lump of coal at normal viewing distance under typical lighting. Don't kid yourself about the degree of standardisation in paint either, these three haven't left the production line yet: But there are visible differences in both the grey and brown paint.....On the first tank it differs from one end to the other, guess the resevoir was getting a bit short so they topped it up with thinners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackG Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 That looks like a touched up photo - look at how the front edges of the tracks are outlined with a black line, which leads me to believe the foreground quality is different compared to the rest. Maybe a flash was used, creating a lighter tone - note the underside of the gun barrels of the other two tanks have a cast shadow, while the one in the immediate foreground hardly any. Front tracks also have slight shadow, but not the first panzer. All I can suggest is a starting point for the base colour, it's up to the individual and their techniques of where they want to go with it. regards, Jack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 All I can suggest is a starting point for the base colour, it's up to the individual and their techniques of where they want to go with it. Pretty sure that's what I said too. I do like that shiny SOMUA, fresh out of the booth and nicely Kleared ready for a flat coat and some weathering.....Think they might have overdone the pigments on that halftrack though. PS - Just musing on what a contrast this is to 'colour arguments' in the wingy-things section.....If we were in there we'd be on page 27 and at each others throats by now! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I use Revell enamel nos 78 applied by brush it looks ok to me At the end of the day its your model use what you think looks close and enjoy the hobby don't get stuck trying to find the perfect colour it not out there it dose not exist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackG Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Speaking of wingy-things, it has been stated (by noted author Bruce Culver), that the Luftwaffe's RLM 66 Schwartzgrau was the same grey colour. This was used for the cockpit interiors, so if you have this in your paint box, you are good to go. regards, Jack 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Speaking of wingy-things, it has been stated (by noted author Bruce Culver), that the Luftwaffe's RLM 66 Schwartzgrau was the same grey colour. This was used for the cockpit interiors, so if you have this in your paint box, you are good to go. regards, Jack I can now tell all my wingy thingy buddies their cockpits are wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Did Humbrol ever release their RLM boxed sets.....My sister & nephew went to their factory and they didn't have any in stock at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzulscha Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 What interests me is the shine (Especially on that Somua) on what most references say is a matte colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 I can now tell all my wingy thingy buddies their cockpits are wrong You won't have any wingy thing buddies if you tell them that. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cossack52 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 in the days when humbrol made paints that covered and dried i quite liked their 67 for german vehicles,and cockpit interiors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide Calzolari Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 best german grey? humbrol 67 for whole life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonelmustard Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I personally use an aerosol spray called "Pro Finish Grey Primer" from Poundland. I find it gives the same hue / shade of grey as Tamiya XF63 and it only costs a pound. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 On 16/08/2016 at 2:07 AM, JackG said: Speaking of wingy-things, it has been stated (by noted author Bruce Culver), that the Luftwaffe's RLM 66 Schwartzgrau was the same grey colour. This was used for the cockpit interiors, so if you have this in your paint box, you are good to go. regards, Jack On 9/09/2016 at 9:12 AM, italian intruder said: best german grey? humbrol 67 for whole life Great, its my go to for RLM66 too. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stashaholic Steve Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) There will NEVER be universal agreement on "correct" paint shades, so threads like this almost invariably end up just going endlessly round the houses as guys argue the toss and chuck links around to "prove" that they're right. That is until the next guy chimes in saying that the other guy's photo looks colourised / retouched / faded by time / or whatever, and posts up something else to disprove what's gone before (rinse & repeat ad infinitum). My own rule of thumb (take it or leave it) is basically "if it looks right, it is right". And with seemingly everyone & his dog now bringing out paints and paint sets that claim to be the last word in research & accuracy, you are spoiled for choice. Edited October 1, 2016 by Stashaholic Steve for spelling errors 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentG Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 3 hours ago, Stashaholic Steve said: There will NEVER be universal agreement on "correct" paint shades, so threads like this almost invariably end up just going endlessly round the houses as guys argue the toss and chuck links around to "prove" that they're right. That is until the next guy chimes in saying that the other guy's photo looks colourised / retouched / faded by time / or whatever, and posts up something else to disprove what's gone before (rinse & repeat ad infinitum). My own rule of thumb (take it or leave it) is basically "if it looks right, it is right". And with seemingly everyone & his dog now bringing out paints and paint sets that claim to be the last word in research & accuracy, you are spoiled for choice. ^This^ Perfect summation of what really isn't an issue. G 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Agreed.....But AFV modellers are gentlemen, so we never let things fall to such levels. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentG Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 On 01/10/2016 at 19:50, Sgt.Squarehead said: Agreed.....But AFV modellers are gentlemen, so we never let things fall to such levels. Hear Hear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide Calzolari Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 On 28/9/2016 at 5:07 AM, stevehnz said: Great, its my go to for RLM66 too. Steve. indeed for interior of WWII planes luft, 67 humbrol is the best too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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