RNoAF Aerobatic Team Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Norway have decided to replace it's aging 6 P-3 Orion's with 4 P-8 Poseidon. They have signed an intensional deal worth 11 billion NOK. About time they did this. The Orion is a workhorse, but age is showing. Cheers Ørjan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Any references ? Nils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boman Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 https://www.nrk.no/norge/_-regjeringen-kjoper-etterretningsfly-til-11-milliarder-1.13082919 A bit strange that this hasn't(?) been prosessed through the Parlament (Stortinget)? One would think that an investment of this magnitude would have a broader political process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNoAF Aerobatic Team Posted August 11, 2016 Author Share Posted August 11, 2016 http://m.nettavisen.no/nyheter/-regjeringen-kjper-etterretningsfly-til-11-milliarder/3423250845.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 http://m.nettavisen.no/nyheter/-regjeringen-kjper-etterretningsfly-til-11-milliarder/3423250845.html Whats that say then ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boman Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) In short, that the Norwegian Government has secretly signed an Letter of Intent with the US to buy 4 off P-8 Poseidons, with estimated service introduction around 2020. It is expected to gain broad support among all the parties in the Parlament when the new defence spending plan is to be agreed this fall. Value of the agreement is ~11 Billion NOK (~1,25 Billion USD) Edit 12.08.16: Improved translation Edited August 12, 2016 by Boman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlamgat9 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Cue a load of people telling you how the Poseidon is rubbish, can't do the job etc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moaning dolphin Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Cue a load of people telling you how the Poseidon is rubbish, can't do the job etc! Poseidon is rubbish and can't do its job! The company I work for has just finished re winging the Norwegian P3's (last one is just about to leave), I think they were eyeing up further work for them to extend the life further. Will the P3's be scrapped? or shifted out to a different role? Seems a shame after investing a lot in the re winging program. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Whats that say then ??? https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fm.nettavisen.no%2Fnyheter%2F-regjeringen-kjper-etterretningsfly-til-11-milliarder%2F3423250845.html&edit-text=&act=url Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNoAF Aerobatic Team Posted August 11, 2016 Author Share Posted August 11, 2016 Poseidon is rubbish and can't do its job! The company I work for has just finished re winging the Norwegian P3's (last one is just about to leave), I think they were eyeing up further work for them to extend the life further. Will the P3's be scrapped? or shifted out to a different role? Seems a shame after investing a lot in the re winging program. Bob If they do what they did with the Hauk class FPB's, they're going to end up scrapped. They upgraded them for millions and scrapped the just a couple of years later. Seems like a standard here. They also upgrade the barracks at Sola airbase and tore them down within a year after;-) So.... who knows.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 If they do what they did with the Hauk class FPB's, they're going to end up scrapped. They upgraded them for millions and scrapped the just a couple of years later. Seems like a standard here. They also upgrade the barracks at Sola airbase and tore them down within a year after;-) So.... who knows.... I don't think that that is just a Norwegian thing as the British MOD also does those sort of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boman Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 With service introduction ~2020 the last of the existing P-3 Orions will have ~4 yrs service even after the recent updates. The aircraft will most likely be stored at AMARG when retired except for that/those few airframes reserved for museums and/or gate guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg B Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Unfortunately, the neighbours around the corner are not showing much in the way of friendliness. And it's taken a while for people to realise this and the fact that what they have left after the peace dividend was cashed in, is not enough of a deterrent. Sub hunters is the tip of the iceberg. Probably a good time to invest in defence companies. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar2 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 I don't think that that is just a Norwegian thing as the British MOD also does those sort of things. Indeed, the Navy have just spent millions upgrading HMS Dilligence only to sell her last week, without telling anyone apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Unfortunately, the neighbours around the corner are not showing much in the way of friendliness. And it's taken a while for people to realise this and the fact that what they have left after the peace dividend was cashed in, is not enough of a deterrent. Sub hunters is the tip of the iceberg. Probably a good time to invest in defence companies. If you can convince me that the people who matter have realised this, I should feel a whole lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglierating Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Indeed, the Navy have just spent millions upgrading HMS Dilligence only to sell her last week, without telling anyone apparently.Actually it's RFA Diligence but even so where is that written.....it's not as of we dont need a repair ship ....never use it ....not......problem is that it's the small porthole bigger picture scenario....politicians and people in general want to see VFM they don't see the what ifs and the defence in depth thing.Sadly they (partly their own fault) have and are doing badly defencewise to many eggs in one basket.....two white elephants and not much to put on em and as for defence contractors pah and I work for one! Anybody heard of the corp of naval constructors! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar2 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Sorry, you're absolutely right, RFA Dilligence. It was in the news the other day. The Navy are going to lease a BP rig support vessel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Housesparrow Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 The article uses the word "intensjonsavtale" which sounds more like it is a preliminary deal, than a done deal. Though I am no expert on such issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Intensjonsavtale means Letter of Intent. So it is not really a signed contract. It can still be cancelled - but so can of course a contract. More important, the government has made a decision to buy the aircraft. Nils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boman Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 You're correct Nils - Letter of Intent is the correct translation. My head is still on vacation I guess Letter of Intents are as Nils indicate not a cemented Agreement, however under the normal principles of law you should have really valid reasons for not following up on an LoI. Most likely there are conditions in the LoI relating to Parlament approval, but I guess that the Government has secured backing from the oposition parties prior to entering into the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Actually it's RFA Diligence but even so where is that written.....i https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notice-of-sale-former-rfa-diligence-a-forward-repair-ship Put up for sale. Hadn't seen the thing about leasing a new support ship, but maybe that's actually cheaper and you get a much newer vessel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar2 Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 But is it the right vessel to go around the world meeting up with our ships and subs as Dilligence did, and if they knew they were going to sell, why spend millions on the refit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moaning dolphin Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 But is it the right vessel to go around the world meeting up with our ships and subs as Dilligence did, and if they knew they were going to sell, why spend millions on the refit? To make it a better deal to sell? A clapped out version would only get $$$ but a refitted modern one should get $$$$$$$$$$$, again I reiterate the 'should'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 But is it the right vessel to go around the world meeting up with our ships and subs as Dilligence did, and if they knew they were going to sell, why spend millions on the refit? Possibly a deal for the new one came up that was too good to miss - Diligence was scheduled to remain until 2020. Alternatievly, perhaps something came up on the current refit that was just too expensive to economically repair for a three year life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 River patrol craft ---------------------Leased Artic patrol ship------------------------Leased Repair and refit ship ------------------Leased Whos running the navy ----------------H S S Aslo if we have 25 ships why do we need 26 Admirals???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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