Wafu Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Good to hear all is well and the crew got it down and exited before anyone was hurt. Check the BBC for the usual BBC bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmatthewbacon Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Or alternatively, check the BBC for a comprehensive report, with no speculation. Just the facts, as far as I can see... RAF helicopter fire on Snowdonia peak after technical issue http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-37023986 Best, M. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Morpheus Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Is it sad that I identified the heli in the BBC article photos as a Huey from just the tail boom and bits of wreckage? I didn't even know the RAF had 412's! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 At least the tail rotor is salvageable! Will no doubt end up on a plinth or on the wall in some crew room! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmatthewbacon Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I don't think technically the RAF does have any Bell 412s... The training and provision of the helicopters is outsourced to a civvy contractor which runs the Defence Helicopter Flying School at Shawbury, and an SAR school... Best, M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) Well, they are flown in RAF markings by mostly military crews. As far as I am concerned that makes them RAF. For Raven's benefit there are 11 (now ten) Griffin HT.1s split between the Defence Helicopter Flying School at Shawbury and the SAR Training Unit at Valley, with four Griffin HAR.2s with No.84 Squadron at Akrotiri. They are all, as cmatthewbacon says, owned by the contractor FBS and flown by military and civilian crews (purely military in Cyprus). In addition the Army Air Corps has a number of contractor-owned Bell 212s at Middle Wallop and in Canada. The Griffins will be replaced when the new training contract comes into effect from next year. Apart from that, at least the crew did not have to start a fire to keep warm while waiting for the rescue team, and with that pall of smoke it wasn't difficult to find them either. For the number crunchers it was ZJ241. Edited August 10, 2016 by T7 Models 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boman Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 The RAF have 412's - these are the ones that once made up the Belize flight, returned to the UK from Belize some 5ish years ago. Fully owned by RAF - no civilian contractors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg B Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 The RAF have 412's - these are the ones that once made up the Belize flight, returned to the UK from Belize some 5ish years ago. Fully owned by RAF - no civilian contractors The Belize flight were 212s and were Army operated. They are now in Kenya. There are other 212s with 7 flight in Brunei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 And I think the Bell 212s are also contractor owned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boman Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 The 212 and 412 are very similar, so possibly a mix-up by the BBC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 No, the aircraft on Snowdonia was was a Defence Helicopter Flying School 412 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Morpheus Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 The BBC don't mention what type of helicopter it is, not in the text in their article, dunno about the vids as I haven't listened to them. I doubt they'd even know, they'd probably think it's a Spitfire... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boman Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Spitfires are nice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 The 412 & 212 are civilian owned (cobham previously FBHeliservices) but military registered (and painted in training colours; as are the squirrels), the 212's came back from Belize in 2012/13 (I offloaded them of the truck). There are 212's in Brunei and Middle Wallop with 412's as stated above. One of the 212's is painted white having just had its D check but the sale fell through, so it's only ground run once a month. I work at Middle Wallop and have worked on the 212 & squirrel. The Brunei cabs will come to MWP for their D checks and will be swapped for a MWP 212. I'll speak with my mate at Valley but normally it's not the done thing to make calls to fish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonners Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 T7 Models is spot on. Search and Rescue Training Unit (SARTU) Griffin HT1 / Bell 412, part of the Defence Helicopter Flying School. Some of the instructors are ex-mil civilians, hence the mention of civvies on the crew. The top of Yr Aran is as good as anywhere to land in a hurry, although slightly less good to walk off when wearing flying kit... All safe and well - the hardware can be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Class: http://s193.photobucket.com/user/tache3_photos/media/mail_zpsyb0akrpz.jpg.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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