giemme Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 33 minutes ago, Spookytooth said: I echo the sentiments above Giemme, wonderful stuff. Great detailing and restrained weathering making her stand out. On the lights, I usually go with a silver first, followed by whichever colour in clear, sometimes it may need two coats of clear colour. Looking forward to seeing her finished and in RFI. Simon. Cheers Simon, thanks! I tried not to overdo the weathering, just like on the real thing while still in service. As for the lights, thanks for the tip I would normally do that myself, but looking at reference pics for this aricraft, it seems like the wingtip lights are quite opaque, so mine was an attempt to reproduce that. Happy with the yellow, the green turned out a bit too dark - and I suspect the best thig would have been to cut them out and replace with clear plastic. Too late for that when I found out they were missing I forgot to mention that AIRFIX skipped another pretty visible detail on both wing tips, which is a small bump just forward of the green light: http://p1127.co.uk/Harrier/HarrierGR9/slides/ZD433-W295.JPG I have no idea on how to reproduce that, at this stage ... Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaStix Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 That is an amazing update Giemme! Looks like you got loads of excellent work done. Your attention to detail is also clearly evident! And your photos show how 'busy' the actual air-frame is. Very well done! Kind regards, Stix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Yes, amazing detail work Giemme, and the Paveways are looking great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 4 hours ago, giemme said: Cheers Simon, thanks! I tried not to overdo the weathering, just like on the real thing while still in service. As for the lights, thanks for the tip I would normally do that myself, but looking at reference pics for this aricraft, it seems like the wingtip lights are quite opaque, so mine was an attempt to reproduce that. Happy with the yellow, the green turned out a bit too dark - and I suspect the best thig would have been to cut them out and replace with clear plastic. Too late for that when I found out they were missing I forgot to mention that AIRFIX skipped another pretty visible detail on both wing tips, which is a small bump just forward of the green light: http://p1127.co.uk/Harrier/HarrierGR9/slides/ZD433-W295.JPG I have no idea on how to reproduce that, at this stage ... Ciao G'day Giemme, Fantastic work so far, I will be squirrelling this build away as a reference for the time when I am ready to build mine. As for how to reproduce the additional wingtip features, my approach would be to drill a small hole and glue asmall section of sprue or plastic rod. Once the glue has dried, cut the section of plastic just a tad longer than required and finish shaping with files and a sanding stick. The jet is looking really nice, but one thing I noticed (which may be too late to fix) is that the missile rails still have the triangular wedges on the underside. These are only there to help locate the kit missiles and should be sanded off if no missiles are fitted. This is not intended to take away from your awesome work so far, but if anyone else is planning on leaving the missiles off, this may be of use to them. I am really looking forward to the final photos, cheers, Pappy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 3 hours ago, PlaStix said: That is an amazing update Giemme! Looks like you got loads of excellent work done. Your attention to detail is also clearly evident! And your photos show how 'busy' the actual air-frame is. Very well done! Kind regards, Stix Cheers Stix, thanks It is busy, indeed! 2 hours ago, Cookenbacher said: Yes, amazing detail work Giemme, and the Paveways are looking great. Thanks Cookie For the Paveways ... better wait till I complete them, I'm still on time to screw them up totally... 2 minutes ago, Pappy said: G'day Giemme, Fantastic work so far, I will be squirrelling this build away as a reference for the time when I am ready to build mine. As for how to reproduce the additional wingtip features, my approach would be to drill a small hole and glue asmall section of sprue or plastic rod. Once the glue has dried, cut the section of plastic just a tad longer than required and finish shaping with files and a sanding stick. The jet is looking really nice, but one thing I noticed (which may be too late to fix) is that the missile rails still have the triangular wedges on the underside. These are only there to help locate the kit missiles and should be sanded off if no missiles are fitted. This is not intended to take away from your awesome work so far, but if anyone else is planning on leaving the missiles off, this may be of use to them. I am really looking forward to the final photos, cheers, Pappy Pappy, thank you very much for your comment and for pointing out the missile rails issue Don't know how I missed that I think I'm still in time to fix it, though. Ciao 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basket Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Always amazing work. Each time I look at your birds , I can't believe it's 1/72. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) Pappy, I forgot to add: thank you for the wing tip idea, too. Not sure I'll try that in place, though - I think I'm to close to the small bumps; I'll probably shape whatever I come up with prior to putting that in 3 minutes ago, basket said: Always amazing work. Each time I look at your birds , I can't believe it's 1/72. Cheers Basket, thanks! Ciao Edited February 13, 2017 by giemme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Cracking work again Giorgio, she's really looking the part now! Just one thing, the port wingtip light should be red - I think you've painted them both green? ATB Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 7 hours ago, keefr22 said: Cracking work again Giorgio, she's really looking the part now! Just one thing, the port wingtip light should be red - I think you've painted them both green? ATB Keith Cheers Keith, thanks! Funny you should mention the wingtip lights; I found that odd myself and I forgot to mention, but looking at ref pics they seem to be both green. Port: http://p1127.co.uk/Harrier/HarrierGR9/slides/ZD330-W010.JPG Starboard http://p1127.co.uk/Harrier/HarrierGR9/slides/ZD437-W045.JPG I'd have thought the green/red lights were a sort of standard thing, but it turns out this not the case ... Ciao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Well, that's weird, as it defeats the point of nav lights which is to show you which way to turn if you're flying head on to an oncoming aircraft...! I've never seen that before, good spot Giorgio! (I wonder if they had some strange coloured lamp, that when energised turns the light red? Many 'green' nav light covers are atually blue as they used yellow bulbs?) You learn something new everyday here! Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 18 minutes ago, keefr22 said: Well, that's weird, as it defeats the point of nav lights which is to show you which way to turn if you're flying head on to an oncoming aircraft...! I've never seen that before, good spot Giorgio! (I wonder if they had some strange coloured lamp, that when energised turns the light red? Many 'green' nav light covers are atually blue as they used yellow bulbs?) It is weird, Keith I did find a sort of explanation here: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?107836-Harrier-GR9A-Nav-lights Sounds convincing and educated - whether this is reliable or not, I would ask some Harrier experts ... Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 So the sensible explanation there is similar to my funny coloured bulb theory! Wonder what this is then? Looks like a very dark red light to me, but they seem to be painted over in most pics... http://data.primeportal.net/hangar/luc_colin/harrier_gr.7/Harrier_GR.7_017.jpg Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, keefr22 said: So the sensible explanation there is similar to my funny coloured bulb theory! Wonder what this is then? Looks like a very dark red light to me, but they seem to be painted over in most pics... http://data.primeportal.net/hangar/luc_colin/harrier_gr.7/Harrier_GR.7_017.jpg Keith As you say, it looks like a very dark red light (well, it's off - I'd imagine it is quite bright when on) with a ... well, green/blue cover from your pic. Anyway, since my point was to depict it when the aircraft is shut down and parked, I was more after the look you see in the two pics I posted earlier - which by the way show a dark greenish tone similar to the one I painted on (call me lucky, there ). On the other hand, if you look at this pic, of the stored aircraft and probably taken with artificial light: http://p1127.co.uk/Harrier/HarrierGR9/slides/ZD433-W295.JPG the bulb cover looks a lighter shade of green and slightly dull (which may also be due to the fact that it is a retired airframe) Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, giemme said: As you say, it looks like a very dark red light (well, it's off - I'd imagine it is quite bright when on) with a ... well, green/blue cover from your pic. Which just shows how our colour perception can vary - it looks more dark purple/black to me...!! ( I was talking about the big lumpy looking 'light' more outboard of the definitely green one by the way Giorgio) Anyway, as I say, that was a great spot and shows how much better you research things than me - I'd never likely have noticed, & would just have automatically painted my port light red...!! Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xffw45343tg Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 The lumps are part of the aircraft's Electronic Warfare (EW) systems. I think the largest one is part of the ZEUS Electronic Countermeasures (ECM) system; may be wrong on which one is the Zeus one - just compare with a US AV-8B. I *think* one of the others is part of the Missile Approach Warning (yep - you guessed it "MAW") and I don't know what the 3rd is. If it is GR9 only (and I can't recall whether GR7 has 2 or 3) then it might be something to do with ISTAR???? (as in transmitting data to other stations - wild stab in the dark and I would love to be corrected). As the linked post says the green filters on the nav lights, strobes & beacon are a night vision feature. If you look at a GR5, you'll find conventional colours. There is an "EXT LT" panel on the left hand side console that allows the pilot to select a mode of operation for external lights. They could be set from conventional brightness down to very dim for formation flying. Kirk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) 19 hours ago, keefr22 said: ( I was talking about the big lumpy looking 'light' more outboard of the definitely green one by the way Giorgio) Ooops, sorry, my mistake. On my GR9 (the specific one I'm building here) that part is just painted like the rest of the wing - one less thing to worry about 19 hours ago, Kirk said: The lumps are part of the aircraft's Electronic Warfare (EW) systems. I think the largest one is part of the ZEUS Electronic Countermeasures (ECM) system; may be wrong on which one is the Zeus one - just compare with a US AV-8B. I *think* one of the others is part of the Missile Approach Warning (yep - you guessed it "MAW") and I don't know what the 3rd is. If it is GR9 only (and I can't recall whether GR7 has 2 or 3) then it might be something to do with ISTAR???? (as in transmitting data to other stations - wild stab in the dark and I would love to be corrected). As the linked post says the green filters on the nav lights, strobes & beacon are a night vision feature. If you look at a GR5, you'll find conventional colours. There is an "EXT LT" panel on the left hand side console that allows the pilot to select a mode of operation for external lights. They could be set from conventional brightness down to very dim for formation flying. Kirk Thanks Kirk, very informative as usual I saw a picture somewhere on the 'net that said the MAW "lump" is the yellow one facing backwards, while the ZEUS is the bigger one (the one Keith was referring at). Can't find that pic anymore, though ... Ciao Edited February 15, 2017 by giemme 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Kirk said: The lumps are part of the aircraft's Electronic Warfare (EW) systems. I think the largest one is part of the ZEUS Electronic Countermeasures (ECM) system; may be wrong on which one is the Zeus one - just compare with a US AV-8B. I *think* one of the others is part of the Missile Approach Warning (yep - you guessed it "MAW") and I don't know what the 3rd is. If it is GR9 only (and I can't recall whether GR7 has 2 or 3) then it might be something to do with ISTAR???? (as in transmitting data to other stations - wild stab in the dark and I would love to be corrected). As the linked post says the green filters on the nav lights, strobes & beacon are a night vision feature. If you look at a GR5, you'll find conventional colours. There is an "EXT LT" panel on the left hand side console that allows the pilot to select a mode of operation for external lights. They could be set from conventional brightness down to very dim for formation flying. Kirk Brilliant (no pun intented!) - thanks Kirk, great info! Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Fascinating insights, I'm pretty sure I painted my GR7 port nav light red without even thinking about it. Live and learn! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 HI everybody; some more progress done during the week, I'm rally close to completion now. Paveways, working on the hump: Glued in place with some CA gel Not exactly like the original, but that's the best I can do . Now I need to carve the mounting slot on top of them and complete the painting (and there are only 10 decals each to lay down, then ) Removing the mounting triangle from the missile rails, as Pappy pointed out: I used needle files here and a nail polishing stick for refining, here's the result: A bit of paint lift on the last one, but I was going to repaint anyway ... That was done by brush: Looks good enough to me, thanks again Pappy for mentioning it Canopy step glued in place: and the nose sensors; those were a nice fit, for a change I also added the control stick and bang seat: Very tight fit, and I'm not totally sure it's all my fault; if you remember, I modified the IP coaming with Milliput to make it more similar to the real thing, thus extending it a bit on the front part. The IP location on the tub, though, is pretty straightforward, because you have the small side consoles as reference, and I also managed to leave a bit of a gap between them and the coaming/IP block. Something to think about if anybody wants to use the PAVLA cockpit set. A few more interior details: Nose lens detail: Overall top view: I don't think I will attempt putting the missing lumps on the wingtips, so now I only miss: Paveways, stabilators and yaw vane. That means I should be able to take RFI pics during next weekend Comments welcome, as ever Ciao 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xffw45343tg Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I have to keep looking in my Airfix box to remind myself how tiny 1:72 is. Some of your detail is unbelievable Giemme. So whilst you're performing miracles, a couple of molecules of metallic colour on the sway braces (the bits that stop stores from wobbling on the pylons for those who don't know) would be impressive but may be beyond the realms of nano-engineering. Kirk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 Thanks Kirk, you're too kind 4 hours ago, Kirk said: So whilst you're performing miracles, a couple of molecules of metallic colour on the sway braces (the bits that stop stores from wobbling on the pylons for those who don't know) would be impressive but may be beyond the realms of nano-engineering. Nice definition of "sway braces", there You know, I thought about that - actually, much before the painting stage, I thought of a way to improve them, as what AIRFIX represent are just some triangular plastic blobs. I think this kind of details should be possible with resin AM parts (I had an example when I built my F-4J, using outboard pylons from Hypersonic Models: the actual sway braces were nicely cast with the resin pylons); I'm also afraid that if I put some metallic paint there, it will just emphasize the current poor shape. Don't know, I'll ponder that during tonight's modelling session Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 That is looking really smart Giorgio, top job!! Keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrywilliams Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Nice to see it's coming together! harry Edited February 16, 2017 by Harrywilliams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 On 16/2/2017 at 19:16, keefr22 said: That is looking really smart Giorgio, top job!! Keith On 16/2/2017 at 19:46, Harrywilliams said: Nice to see it's coming together! harry Thank you, guys I'm about to start laying down the last few decals on the Pavewaysand hopefully completing the build by tonight Ciao 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 Hi everybody; I'm calling this completed Started June 29th, not bad uh? Anyways: the decals to be applied were 14 each Paveway (!!! ), and here they are: After some weathering and a flat coat: And here she is, finally completed. Better pcis to follow in the RFI topics, later today Any comments welcome Ciao 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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