John R Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 4 hours ago, The Wooksta! said: Without a shot of the wheel doors or bays, I can't be too sure. The Heller one doesn't have the early longer Hispanos which that one does. Possibly the Frog kit? This is a shot of the wheel wells. I think the u/c legs are moulded on to the doors. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Likely Frog but possibly Revell. It's definitely not the Heller kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Airfix never did their own Tempest - only a reboxing of the fairly nice Heller one. The picture shown above is probably the Frog Tempest. The Matchbox Tempest came with Clostermann's markings too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 No. The Matchbox kit was a fudge kit, with alternate engines - Centaurus for a II, Sabre for a VI - and the wings had the oil coolers. The markings were either 6 Sqn (mk VI) or Indian (mk II). It never came with Closterman's markings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 On 26/04/2017 at 19:38, John R said: This is a shot of the wheel wells. I think the u/c legs are moulded on to the doors. John That doesn't look like the Frog kit - the Frog wheels were welded/rivited to the legs. Details (in French) here http://frog.cocardes.com/hawker-tempest-ref-f212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I believe it is Revell's kit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Yeas - pretty sure it's Revell now. I built the Matchbox kit not that long ago but I didn't use the kit decals as they were too yellowed. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I would agree with it being Revell, by the look of the first photo, most of the rivets have been scrubbed off but are there in the undercart shots as only Revell did with their Tempest, certainly not on the Frog one I have. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatalbert Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 On 28/04/2017 at 8:09 AM, Eric Mc said: Yeas - pretty sure it's Revell now. I built the Matchbox kit not that long ago but I didn't use the kit decals as they were too yellowed. I have got to say that is a stunning Tempest.i love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Roland Beamont's Tempest was JN751 and was fitted with the early long-barrelled cannon. As the pilot and aeroplane scored the first Tempest kill on D-Day+2 (and Beaumont was involved in Tempest development flying) it's probably a more deserving choice of subject than any of Clostermann's mounts, but I do also have a bit of a predilection for modelling 3 Squadron's aeroplanes. The Heller kit was always a pleasure to put together and a bit more detailed than the FROG kit (also fun to put together until the onset of AMS). There are plenty of choices for Tempest colour schemes; the variations in invasion stripes could make an interesting mini-theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 On 28/04/2017 at 8:09 AM, Eric Mc said: Revell need to re release this kit - now! The Heller etc kit is a Lovely Thing. My recollection is very delicate raised lines and razor sharp main wing trailing edges. Trevor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 On 21/04/2017 at 11:07 PM, The Wooksta! said: Airfix released the Heller Tempest twice. Once in the "Aircraft of the Aces" boxes - can't remember the guy's name but the codes were EDM - Can't think how I let this slip earlier on, EDM, Evan Dall Mackie, aka Rosie Mackie, one of New Zealand's top scoring fighter pilots & Wing Leader of 122 wing at the time depicted by the EDM marked Tempest. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Slightly off topic but the EDM markings once appeared on an old Almark sheet in the mid 80's and was described as a tribute to him for his work for the IPMS. Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Not heard of that before Trevor, I'd like to know more. According to his bio, he never flew again after the war but maybe he maintained his involvement in other ways? Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Wires slightly crossed, I think. SN228 EDM did figure on Almark sheet C12 but most of the sheet was devoted to aircraft associated with AML "Mac" Kennaugh, a longstanding and recently deceased IPMS stalwart. In fact the title of the sheet is "Tempest Mk.V - 122 Wing Flt Sgt Kennaugh". PS the kit that sparked the thread is the old Revell one. Edited July 12, 2017 by Seahawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 On 11/07/2017 at 15:40, fatalbert said: I have got to say that is a stunning Tempest.i love it. I used markings that came with the Special Hobby kit - which I have yet to build. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) On 12/07/2017 at 9:55 PM, Seahawk said: PS the kit that sparked the thread is the old Revell one. "cough" Revell Heller one "cough" Steve. Edited July 21, 2017 by stevehnz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 On 28.04.2017 at 9:09 AM, Eric Mc said: Yeas - pretty sure it's Revell now. I built the Matchbox kit not that long ago but I didn't use the kit decals as they were too yellowed. Parts shot for Revell here - the method for the inner u/c doors is the give away. Also, I think the Revell is the only legacy Srs 1 kit. Not sure but I think the Collector's Choice boxing came with Beamont, the original H-621 (SD-Z or whatever) and Le Grand Showoff decals. Your build very amply illustrates why I regard the MB Tempest as one of their best (aircraft) kits ever. Great build indeed, Sir ! On 11.07.2017 at 8:20 PM, Max Headroom said: Revell need to re release this kit - now! That would be great ! However, this ***may*** be one of the moulds lost in Russia. A friend who did some freelancing for Revell asked me a couple of years ago which MB aircraft I'd consider worthy of release by Revell, and the Tempest, Fury and Siskin were top of the list. The Fury at least has resurfaced. Not sure about the Siskin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 As far as I was aware only some Frog/Novo moulds disappeared somewhere in the former USSR. The Siskin and Tempest II/VI were Matchbox originals and should have migrated direct from the UK to wherever Revell do their production. Maybe their non appearance may be something to do with them being damaged or even perhaps lost? How many years is it since the Matchbox mounds weee acquired by Revell? 20+? It doesn't appear to have surfaced since the 1990's. https://www.scalemates.com/kits/147053-matchbox-pk-23-hawker-tempest Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) "Lost in Russia" refers to some Commercial tête-à-tête Revell had with Alanger some 10 years ago, in which apparently Alanger was supplied with a number of Revell-owned moulds to have them moulded in Russia. List here, not all of them ex-Revell. For some reason, Alanger appears to (successfully) have claimed ownership, with the kits appearing from them thereafter, e.g. the legacy Revell A-7A, MB A-20G and a He 111H (could be either MB or ex-Frog - Scalemates says MB). A couple of years ago, Revell looked at re-releasing the MB Ju 188E/F - we were only spared this dreadful kit by the mould being no longer with Revell. --- But I guess we've veered o/t so far that soon we will be called to order Revell's acquisition of the MB moulds took place in '91, I think. Time flies... Edited July 21, 2017 by tempestfan added link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoz Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) AFAIK Matchbox kits sent to Alanger were: PK-6 FW-190APK-9 Bell AH-1GPK-13 P-51D MustangPK-17 Me Bf-109EPK-21 Me-262PK-26 Henschel Hs-126PK-73 Panther Ausf GPK-74 Panzer III Ausf LPK-84 Stuart HoneyPK-85 Sdkfz 232 Radio Car PK-88 Krupp ProtzePK-109 Ju-188 PK-120 A-20G/J Havoc/Boston IV PK-121 A-10A Thunderbolt IIPK-122 F-16A/BPK-130 Tornado F3PK-161 Graf SpeePK-162 HMS ExeterPK-163 USS San DiegoPK-351 BismarckPK-403 He-111HPK-404 F-4K/M Phantom IIPK-406 F-14A Tomcat Note that Alanger stopped trading in 2008, so all the above are probably scrap metal by now... PS We have beeped up yet another review thread. Edited July 21, 2017 by Panoz corrected list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 On 02/06/2016 at 17:09, Julien said: The decals look to be in register, the SKY codes look a little dark to me and the tail bands will need to be matched to these. All bands and stripes will need to be painted. actually, no,not always see this thread about an restored Tempest fuselage. On 14/05/2011 at 20:49, Chris Thomas said: The Sky band would have been factory applied and the unit codes would have been applied by the unit (or its servicing echelon), at Eindhoven in this case. That could be a reason for the difference as well as the years of fading and grime that are evident. HTH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 On 21 July 2017 at 7:55 AM, Eric Mc said: I used markings that came with the Special Hobby kit - which I have yet to build. You have my condolences - it's a vile build, largely due to the resin wheel bay insert which has a MASSIVE pouring lug which needs excessive sanding to remove and then doesn't fit. I had to sand mine so thin that it was translucent, sand the inside of the wing AND the lower mating surfaces of the wheel bay and it STILL didn't fit. It's rotting in a box somewhere and the two others are waiting to be disposed of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 I haven't built the Special Hobby kit. I merely applied the decals from the Special Hobby kit to the Matchbox kit. It just shows how much a decent set of decals can do to improve a fairly basic model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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