rossm Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) Apart from the white upper fuselage were these always polished metal or were some painted silver at some time? TIA Ross Edit - scan no longer required - thanks to Tripod for that. Edited July 29, 2016 by rossm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I presume you mean Jersey Airlines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossm Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 I presume you mean Jersey Airlines? Exactly, put down kit box, moved to computer, did a quick search, didn't find anything conclusive, typed from memory, short attention span or what? But now I've put myself right do you have an answer please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodadriver Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I'm not sure what search criteria you used but a simple Google search for "Jersey Airlines Heron" produced numerous images including one of G-AMYU which is as clearly polished natural metal as it's possible to tell from a black and white picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossm Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 I'm not sure what search criteria you used but a simple Google search for "Jersey Airlines Heron" produced numerous images including one of G-AMYU which is as clearly polished natural metal as it's possible to tell from a black and white picture. I'm trying to avoid the natural metal / Alclad / lots of polishing route but I want to model an aircraft that would have flown on the Exeter route. I'm a bit confused by the restored Heron which is definitely not polished metal and wondered if this painted finish was used back in the day of commercial use. This is what I cannot find although my memory suggests I have seen a picture "somewhere". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodadriver Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Forget Alclad. If you end up having to go down the natural metal route, AK Xtreme Metal is the way to do it. Vallejo Metal Color is also supposed to be very good although I haven't tried it myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) I'm not sure what search criteria you used but a simple Google search for "Jersey Airlines Heron" produced numerous images including one of G-AMYU which is as clearly polished natural metal as it's possible to tell from a black and white picture. Only thing is,YU is a 1B with fixed undercart and that picture is dated as 1955. Ross say's he's put down the kit box,so I bet he's got the Airfix kit of the 2B which has Jersey decals in it. The 2B is surely later than the 1B?,so I think Ross's question certainly holds water. In fact,here's 2B Romeo Golf pictured in 1960: http://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/File:Sub15JALHeron1960a.jpg Don't look like polished metal to me........ Edited May 18, 2016 by Miggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossm Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) Only thing is,YU is a 1B with fixed undercart and that picture is dated as 1955. Ross say's he's put down the kit box,so I bet he's got the Airfix kit of the 2B which has Jersey decals in it. The 2B is surely later than the 1B?,so I think Ross's question certainly holds water. In fact,here's 2B Romeo Golf pictured in 1960: http://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/File:Sub15JALHeron1960a.jpg Don't look like polished metal to me........ Excellent, excellent, looks like I can do a painted silver, many thanks for the link, and I have the Airfix 'Classic Airliners' boxing with those decals although there appears to be an extra crest on the rear fuselage that is not in the kit. Ross Edited May 18, 2016 by rossm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Excellent, excellent, looks like I can do a painted silver, many thanks for the link, and I have the Airfix 'Classic Airliners' boxing with those decals although there appears to be an extra crest on the rear fuselage that is not in the kit. Ross Neither,Ross my boy,does the restored Romeo Golf. Have flick through this lot,plenty of "period" shots of Joizey herons: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jersey+airlines+heron+2b&biw=1360&bih=639&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwixuY-2peTMAhWEA8AKHT4xDbsQsAQIKw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) There was a Jersey a/l 2B (retractable u/c ) at Coventry Airport when I worked there with all the other relics in the hangar and the "NMF" was in fact Silver,probably Aluminium ,paint. No polishing required ! That stuff is matte ish anyway. Edited May 30, 2016 by bzn20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMB Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Excellent, excellent, looks like I can do a painted silver, many thanks for the link, and I have the Airfix 'Classic Airliners' boxing with those decals although there appears to be an extra crest on the rear fuselage that is not in the kit. Ross Ross, Be aware that the decals in the 'Classic Airliners' boxing of the Heron depict G-AORG as it is restored now. When they restored it, they didn't bother to apply the correct period wing marks. In service, Jersey Airlines Herons had 'JERSEY AIRLINES' applied above the port wing and below starboard wing in large staggered blue letters, as well as the reg. above the starboard wing. The original Airfix-issued Heron had these wing markings on the decal sheet and if you can source an original decal sheet, that will make your model authentic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossm Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 Ross, Be aware that the decals in the 'Classic Airliners' boxing of the Heron depict G-AORG as it is restored now. When they restored it, they didn't bother to apply the correct period wing marks. In service, Jersey Airlines Herons had 'JERSEY AIRLINES' applied above the port wing and below starboard wing in large staggered blue letters, as well as the reg. above the starboard wing. The original Airfix-issued Heron had these wing markings on the decal sheet and if you can source an original decal sheet, that will make your model authentic. Thank you for that warning, I had already noticed the lack of the rear 'winged badge' on the fuselage consistent with the restored example but I didn't know about the wing titles. I'm also wondering if the escape hatch markings are 'period' or only on the restored one? Seems like an update is needed to my 'wanted' post! Ross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) If its a restored plane thats going to fly then the regulations on escape hatch markings have to be adhered to. If its just a static museum exhibit,the original markings don't break any rules so not reqd. Edited June 1, 2016 by bzn20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMB Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 If its a restored plane thats going to fly then the regulations on escape hatch markings have to adhered to. If its just a static museum exhibit,the original markings don't break any rules so not reqd. Correct. The escape hatch markings came into use around the late '60s together with door and escape window outlines painted on airliners. The Jersey Airlines Herons were in service before these regulations came into force, so would not have worn them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossm Posted June 5, 2016 Author Share Posted June 5, 2016 The missing rear titles appear to be for 'Royal Mail' - but I don't have a clear enough picture to recreate them, please can anyone help? The wing lettering appears easy to recreate but a scan of the placement instructions would also be helpful for those please. TIA, Ross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Yes ,Royal Mail is on the Fuse just about inline with the start of the fin. http://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/File:Sub15JALHeron1960a.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 Hi, Ross I have one of those Herald kits, too, so the crest is another entry on to do list before I can start building it. Apparently with passing of time they changed. For a general arrangement there is a line drawing on the following link ... http://gbcovercollector.co.uk/product/60th-anniversary-first-pennant-for-inland-airmail-awarded-to-highland-airways-1934-royal-air-mail-inverness_9168/ ... and from the following photos one can discern colours of the crest: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Gulf-Aviation-Co/Avro-652A-Anson/2220324/L/&sid=4b0b292afda8587cc9956eddcc55f025 http://www.airliners.net/photo/De-Havilland-DH-89A/0503398/L/&sid=eb2fdd1b436be9012d3561bb677d5573 Not much, but I hope it helps. Regards Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossm Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share Posted June 7, 2016 Hi, Ross I have one of those Herald kits, too, so the crest is another entry on to do list before I can start building it. Apparently with passing of time they changed. For a general arrangement there is a line drawing on the following link ... http://gbcovercollector.co.uk/product/60th-anniversary-first-pennant-for-inland-airmail-awarded-to-highland-airways-1934-royal-air-mail-inverness_9168/ ... and from the following photos one can discern colours of the crest: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Gulf-Aviation-Co/Avro-652A-Anson/2220324/L/&sid=4b0b292afda8587cc9956eddcc55f025 http://www.airliners.net/photo/De-Havilland-DH-89A/0503398/L/&sid=eb2fdd1b436be9012d3561bb677d5573 Not much, but I hope it helps. Regards Jure Thank you - a bit more here http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-rmail.html#air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossm Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) Scan no longer needed - thanks to Tripod for that. Edited July 29, 2016 by rossm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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