ya-gabor Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I know the costs would be too high Gabor just wishful thinking on my part. If I had good knowledge I would freely give it, but I don't and any research I do would just emulate mistakes others had made before. How would someone go about getting the correct drawings? Would it be trying to get them from Sukhoi? I understand what you say. It all depends on the AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE, the amount of research and search one needs to do in his own photo archive and refferences and what it takes to transform all this into information digestable for the CAD designer. A full contribution of this sort can take weeks of full time (daily 8-12 hours) work!!!! So there is a difference of having SOME information, few photos from a show or a museum or a book and if you have 40 years of photo archive and a big library. If there is a single and fairly simple question there is no problem in responding to it and providing what is needed. But a "full contribution" is something different! Would you give up your full time work, take out a holiday and spend weeks in detail research and give it all to someone who is making a lot of money using your input? About drawings there are several techniques (see what Airfix is doing but there are more traditional ways to do it too) to make them without contacting the designers. It takes time, hell of a lot of work and lots of money on the way. Best regards Gabor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 For the average modeler, if it looks like a SU-22M4 when complete then that's good enough. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya-gabor Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 For the average modeler, if it looks like a SU-22M4 when complete then that's good enough. The same was said by many about the Kitty Hawk MiG-25! It is your choice! Best regards Gabor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fj55mike Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I would much rather see them take the $5000 or so it will cost to make tooling for the engine and spend it on a flight to a museum with one of these aircraft on display. I hope they don't "Mig-25" this one and use a Yefim Gordon book and a set of bootleg drawings as their only reference material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReccePhreak Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Unfortunately most kit manufacturers don’t like spending money on research /development but LOVE the sound of the cash machine when they sell the kits! It is far easier and lot, Lot, LOT cheaper to use some dubious scale drawings and few internet/google photos to produce the “masters” for the next kit. Best regards Gabor Wow, that sounds just like Trumpeter & HobbyBoss! Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eng Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I'll have one as long as it looks like a Fitter! What a great looking jet Eng 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfeil Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) https://www.facebook.com/736521713066784/photos/a.736556396396649.1073741827.736521713066784/1249172318468385/?type=3&theater Regards Ivan Edited October 27, 2016 by Pfeil 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 probably a good start! the weapons look like ones actually used by the Su-17 Fitter! boxart depicts an M4 lets us hope for the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Just remember the serious shape errors from the recent KH's F2H-2 Banshee kit and keep my fingers crossed as the Su-17/-22M-3 & M-4 variants are "subtly" different (rear fuselage, tail etc.). I really like the "Fitter" an impressive as big fighter-bomber I first saw and photographed in the early nineties in eastern Germany on the LSK/LV storage park at Rostock-Laage and active at Gross-Dölln/Templin with Soviet/Russian 20.GvAPIB (http://www.16va.be/3.3_appui_tactique_part3.html). Good old memories. V.P. Edited October 28, 2016 by Homebee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReccePhreak Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 No recce pod shown among the stores. Bummer! Oh well, it's not like I don't have enough kits to build already. Larry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Yes, you're right ReccePhreak. The distinctive KKR-1/-2 pod and SPS-141 jammer pod where in the 1st KH's CADs. Source: http://www.jetwashaviationphotos.com/Pages/PolishAirForce2008.aspx Source: http://fineartamerica.com/products/a-russian-sps-141-jamming-pod-mounted-timm-ziegenthaler-metal-print.html Let's have a look at the IRIAF (ex-Iraqi) Su-22M-4... with, in the 2nd picture, a Mirage like in flight refuelling probe! http://elhangardetj.blogspot.be/2016/10/su-22m4-iranies-en-servicio.html V.P. Edited October 28, 2016 by Homebee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 13 hours ago, Homebee said: Just remember the serious shape errors from the recent KH's F2H-2 Banshee kit and keep my fingers crossed as the Su-17/-22M-3 & M-4 variants are subtly different (rear fuselage, tail etc.). V.P. take care here.... only the SU-22M3 has a different rear fuselage! (as well as Su-22M, and M2) and the difference is not really subtle at all all Soviet Su-17 M3s have the same engine as the M4 the tail is different between M3/M4 that the M4 has an additional air inlet for a heat exchanger on the fin root. it is just that most of the interesting Su-22 schemes are M/ M2 / M2.... (Peru, Hungary, Iraq, Lybia) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoRuin Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Another 2 images from KH: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4839907372?pid=99658570673#99658570673 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Remember it's just a box art. Source: https://www.facebook.com/lindenhillimports/posts/1125566600897313 V.P. Edited October 28, 2016 by Homebee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 As long as the shapes right I can live with it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 8 minutes ago, Muzz said: As long as the shapes right I can live with it! +1 V.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReccePhreak Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 On 28/10/2016 at 11:11, Homebee said: Yes, you're right ReccePhreak. The distinctive KKR-1/-2 pod and SPS-141 jammer pod where in the 1st KH's CADs. Source: http://www.jetwashaviationphotos.com/Pages/PolishAirForce2008.aspx Source: http://fineartamerica.com/products/a-russian-sps-141-jamming-pod-mounted-timm-ziegenthaler-metal-print.html Let's have a look at the IRIAF (ex-Iraqi) Su-22M-4... with, in the 2nd picture, a Mirage like in flight refuelling probe! http://elhangardetj.blogspot.be/2016/10/su-22m4-iranies-en-servicio.html V.P. Maybe it's just me, but I really like planes that are "Ugly, but well hung". Larry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngstROM Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, ReccePhreak said: Maybe it's just me, but I really like planes that are "Ugly, but well hung". Larry Then you should be delighted with this one! Without looking, I'm pretty sure the recce bits (of sorts...?) are in the Kopro kit. Which I'll probably hide somewhere when this one comes over the hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReccePhreak Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 16 minutes ago, AngstROM said: Then you should be delighted with this one! Without looking, I'm pretty sure the recce bits (of sorts...?) are in the Kopro kit. Which I'll probably hide somewhere when this one comes over the hill. They are in the Kopro kit (which I have had for years), but I am not trashing the kit YET. It all depends on what I can afford, since I am "destitute" and "Over The Hill" myself. Larry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngstROM Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 minute ago, ReccePhreak said: They are in the Kopro kit (which I have had for years), but I am not trashing the kit YET. It all depends on what I can afford, since I am "destitute" and "Over The Hill" myself. Larry Yeah, I know the feeling...certainly too far gone to try getting anything in the Kopro box to jive up with anything else; I won't live long enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 FB: " to be released to Dist in November........... " 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salomon Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Can't wait for that kit, that will be really accurate than the SMERr's Suhloi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
593jones Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Oh well, that's more of my redundancy money spoken for. May have to get a part-time job after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skids Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Grrrrrrrrr Just finished getting the bits for the KP/Eduard kit last month so I could start it in the new year Oh well will just get one anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Skids said: Grrrrrrrrr Just finished getting the bits for the KP/Eduard kit last month so I could start it in the new year Oh well will just get one anyway. I am sure you cant decide on a scheme, airforce, timeframe and loadout.... so you need probably more than one anyways 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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