TimTam27 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Hi. I'm currently working on a couple of 48 scale single-seat Il-2 models. One is a very early type with metal wings and fuselage and the other, a later version with wooden wings and a wooden fuselage. I've been told that there is a different type of wing fairing used depending on whether the wing is metal or wood but I've looked at lots of photos but have been unable see any difference. Can anyone tell me what I should be looking for? Thanks, TimTam27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spitfire Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Hopefully the Il-2 Guru Learstang will be along soon to help you out, but in the mean time you can have a look here. http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/ Cheers Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTam27 Posted February 1, 2016 Author Share Posted February 1, 2016 Hi Spitfire. I was hoping Jason would see this as he was the person who brought the existence of the different fairings to my attention in the first place. I actually posted the same question at the back-up sovietwarplanes forum but there have only been four views (two of which were me) and no replies. Might have had more success at the main forum but I wasn't able to access it. I'll have to check and see if it's working again. Cheers, Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFlint Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 do you mean the fairings for the landing gear or the 23mm cannons ? both changed during the course of production. personally I don't think these are important enough to change-I just use what comes with the kit. there are other more important things to change if you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTam27 Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hi PFlint, I'm not really sure to what Learstang was referring. I assumed it was the wing to fuselage fairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Tessitori Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Hi TimTam, the early Il-2s with metal rear fuselage had always an all-metal wing of early type, that is with 20 mm guns in different position than the later wings included into the kit (which is an hybrid between 1941 and 1942); besides the early wings had landing lights on both sides, and balance horns both under their ailerons and the wingtips; the ailerons were metal-skinned, and there was some difference on the panelling. Besides the canopy was visibly less armoured. There is a conversion of an 1/48 model on Sovietwarplanes, you can find his topic on the clone forum if you search. I suggest to look on the site, there is a wide page where these things are explained and shown (see mod. 1941 and mod.1942). http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il-2.htm Regards Massimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTam27 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Hi Massimo, thanks for you post. I'm actually a member and frequent visitor to your site under a different username. The page you linked to and posts on the forum (particularly Istvan's build of aircraft No.5-2) have informed the building of the early IL-2s. My build of the very early all-metal IL-2 (No.3-6) is almost at the painting stage and incorporates all of the changes you list above. The only thing stopping me from beginning the paint job is the knowledge that there may be a change needed to a wing fairing that I have missed. Your sovietwarplanes forum would have been the natural choice to post this question but for some reason I can no longer access it. I did post this question on the altervista version of the forum but haven't had any replies. I thought I would try my luck here because I know Learstang the IL-2 guru frequents this site. Well at least he used to. Cheers, Robert Edited February 4, 2016 by TimTam27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFlint Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 ah! I'm not aware of any difference in the Carman's Sleeves - correct terminology for the wing/fuselage fairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Tessitori Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Hi, The only thing stopping me from beginning the paint job is the knowledge that there may be a change needed to a wing fairing that I have missed. if I remember well, some hatches related to the access to the bomb bays from above should be missing on the early planes. Regards Massimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Karman I suspect, but not a term I've heard for these fairings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbolt Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 ah! I'm not aware of any difference in the Carman's Sleeves - correct terminology for the wing/fuselage fairing. Never heard of that either. Sounds more like a slang term than a technical one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 "Karman" is used in French for wing root fairing. I recall seeing it in that sense in Replic magazine. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTam27 Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Hi, if I remember well, some hatches related to the access to the bomb bays from above should be missing on the early planes. Regards Massimo Hi Massimo, when Accurate Miniatures tooled up their 1:48 Sturmovik kits they seemed to be a bit confused about the variants and as a result the kit is bit of a dog's breakfast. From what I understand this particular mix of fuselage, wing and armament probably never existed. Luckily for people building the early type IL-2 the inner wing sections over the bomb bays are more or less correct for the early aircraft and require very little work. The hatches that should be missing are missing. It's not so good if you want a later type because the hatches need to be added. Cheers, Robert Edited February 5, 2016 by TimTam27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonlanceHR Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Karman sleeve(s) is actually a common aeronautical term in Eastern Europe and Russia. It all depends from which sources the first aircraft material came that the local designers and manufacturers studied, in this case, French sources. IIRC a lot of American flying slang comes from the French - f.eg. the term chandelle. Vedran The milimeter brigade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Not just American: nacelle, fuselage, longeron and others. However here it is the term "sleeve" that sounds odd. I suspect something may have been confused in French to Russian to English translations. Could it be "channel"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonlanceHR Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Channel or gutter would be a better translation, the word in Croatian is "slivnik", best translated as drain gutter or similar; as in the part that forces the fluid (in this case, air) to pass over/through. Edit: now that I wrote the last sentence, yes, channel it is :-) Vedran Edited February 5, 2016 by dragonlanceHR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 That sounds better, for in English the term "sleeve" implies tubular, like a pipe. In French " la manche" is sleeve, but "La Manche" is the English Channel, which is why I wondered if that was where confusion arose. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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