john224 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Didn't the Red Pelicans operate T4's ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Technically, yes, but I suspect they are ignoring the minor tailplane differences (and they forgot the fuselage top intakes for the T3 anyway!). I reckon the tailplane amendment is a 15 minute job at most 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonywood Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The kit subject is XN468 which would make it a T3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 hours ago, tonywood said: The kit subject is XN468 which would make it a T3 Nope, built as T3 but retained by the manufacturer and converted to one of the prototype T4s. Then refurbished and issued to CFS as a T4 where it was used in the Red Pelicans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonywood Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Happy to be corrected. So what needs doing to the tailplane to convert to a T4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The elevator horn needs changed from an angled shape to right angles. A little bit of filling is needed as the horn on the T3 is curved, but then just rescribe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dave Fleming said: The elevator horn needs changed from an angled shape to right angles. A little bit of filling is needed as the horn on the T3 is curved, but then just rescribe There's a bit more to it than that, it was discussed in this thread although many of the pictures from that thread are missing. Essentially, the elevator horns as mentioned, there's the intakes on the upper fuselage, the JP.3 had a pair of small intakes but those on the JP.4 were larger and more prominent. Airfix missed the intakes from their new kit, the larger ones are in their JP.5 kit but they're fairly simple to scratch build I reckon. The cockpit colouring is different too, JP.3 had black cockpit and Instrument Panel, JP.4 had black cockpit with grey IP. Export T.51 equates to JP.3, T.52 a JP.4. Any changes are easily achievable. Edited January 5, 2017 by Wez 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonywood Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Thanks for the replies, I like the look of the kit subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john224 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The Red Pelicans flew at least once in formation with the Yellowjacks, so the two will look good together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Box art: http://assets.airfix.com/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/r/provost-starter-low-2.jpg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john224 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 On 05/01/2017 at 5:39 PM, Wez said: There's a bit more to it than that, it was discussed in this thread although many of the pictures from that thread are missing. Essentially, the elevator horns as mentioned, there's the intakes on the upper fuselage, the JP.3 had a pair of small intakes but those on the JP.4 were larger and more prominent. Airfix missed the intakes from their new kit, the larger ones are in their JP.5 kit but they're fairly simple to scratch build I reckon. The cockpit colouring is different too, JP.3 had black cockpit and Instrument Panel, JP.4 had black cockpit with grey IP. Export T.51 equates to JP.3, T.52 a JP.4. Any changes are easily achievable. Film footage of Red Pelicans on YouTube shows at least one of the T4s had a black instrument panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Which could be the converted T3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john224 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Probably. The top intakes, missing in the kit, are also missing on the box art (there are period photographs which clearly show them present). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 And they need to be larger than they would have been for a T3 anyway! I suspect most will ignore them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 Source: https://www.facebook.com/officialairfix/photos/a.80699376270.112940.65102591270/10154951267026271/?type=3&theater V.P. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 Source: https://www.airfix.com/uk-en/news/workbench/an-airborne-warrior-at-sea/ Quote Life before the Red Arrows This handsome Jet Provost wears the distinctive colours of the Red Pelicans Aerobatic Display Team Although the Airfix range of small starter sets is described as being ideal for the beginner, these delightful models really do have to be considered as much more than that. Supplied complete with glue, acrylic paints and a paint brush, these models are indeed the perfect way for first time modellers to try their hand at the hobby, but they can also be perfect for people returning to the hobby after a break and indeed for the committed, regular modeller looking for a great kit which comes with some extras that will always come in handy. The current range includes a beautiful new kit which has just been released and marks a particularly handsome aircraft that thrilled Airshow crowds in the days before the world famous Red Arrows. As the RAF moved to an all jet flight training programme in the early 1960s, they could not have imagined that the Jet Provost aircraft they were using would provide training support for the next thirty years. The close side-by-side arrangement of the Jet Provost cockpit must have been both a blessing and a curse for the RAF student pilot but would certainly have highlighted any mistakes they made. For the capable, instinctive student, it would have allowed them to closely observe the skills of his flying instructor and emulate these in developing his own flying style. For the less confident, or struggling student, the cockpit of his Jet Provost must have been an intimidating environment. The Hunting Percival/BAC Jet Provost went on to provide over thirty years of faithful service to Royal Air Force training units and over 500 aircraft were eventually constructed for the RAF alone. It is highly likely that almost every RAF pilot to serve between 1960 and 1988 would have time in his log book on the JP and in many cases, would have received his basic training on the aircraft. Without doubt, the Jet Provost deserves to be considered as one of the most significant jet aircraft to ever serve in the Royal Air Force and was a resounding success for the British aviation industry. (A55116) Hunting Percival Jet Provost T.Mk.4, XN468, Red Pelicans display team, Central Flying School, Royal Air Force Little Rissington, Gloucestershire, England 1966. Profile artwork showing one of the Red Pelican Jet Provosts Full scheme artwork for Small Starter Set A55116 At a time when many RAF stations operated their own aerobatic display teams, the ‘Red Pelicans’ of the Central Flying School were amongst the most distinctive, often flying in the same display programme as the Red Arrows. Formed at RAF Kemble in 1962, the team originally made use of four standard Jet Provost T.Mk.4 aircraft which were equipped with white smoke generators for display purposes. The following year the team was expanded to six aircraft, which were all given a smart new bright red paint scheme and performed many display routines at shows in the UK and on the Continent. In 1964, the Red Pelicans became the official aerobatic display team of the Royal Air Force, replacing the English Electric Lightnings of the ‘Firebirds’ which could no longer be spared for Airshow duties. In the same year at a spectacular SBAC Farnborough Airshow, the six Jet Provosts of the Red Pelicans flew in formation with the 5 Folland Gnats of the new 4FTS ‘Yellowjacks’, which must have been a memorable sight for anyone lucky enough to witness it. This striking small starter set is available online now or from your local Airfix stockist. V.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) New variant expected in January 2019 - ref. A02107 - Hunting Percival Jet Provost T.4 Source: https://www.airfix.com/uk-en/shop/new-for-2019/hunting-percival-jet-provost-t-4-1-72.html Box art+schemes V.P. Edited January 7, 2019 by Homebee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMB Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 On 1/4/2017 at 11:09 AM, Dave Fleming said: Interesting, the drawings show (correctly) that the CFS lettering appeared over a different shade of red (I suspect due to carrier film in real life!). You can also do it without the CFS lettering That's my photo Dave! I think the aircraft had been repainted and rather than re-apply the lettering, they masked and painted round it, resulting in the paint around the lettering looking slightly faded. Not supposed to be a different shade! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 26 minutes ago, AMB said: That's my photo Dave! I think the aircraft had been repainted and rather than re-apply the lettering, they masked and painted round it, resulting in the paint around the lettering looking slightly faded. Not supposed to be a different shade! Sorry Adrian, I don't think the Flickr link carried over the attribution! my mistake! Interesting though, the Red Pelcans went through a few colour iterations in their short time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 38 minutes ago, AMB said: That's my photo Dave! I think the aircraft had been repainted and rather than re-apply the lettering, they masked and painted round it, resulting in the paint around the lettering looking slightly faded. Not supposed to be a different shade! Good to know the reason behind that feature. Thanks for the explanation Adrian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Stunning artwork for the T.4 release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Nice. I do believe the same subjects are on the Xtradecals set. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Paul J said: Nice. I do believe the same subjects are on the Xtradecals set. The kit decals should be more accurate and 7nclude appropriate stencilling, something missing from Xtradecal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivand Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 8 hours ago, Dave Fleming said: Interesting though, the Red Pelcans went through a few colour iterations in their short time The difference could just be down to a different batch of paint or just the fading of the original paint, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 8 hours ago, ivand said: The difference could just be down to a different batch of paint or just the fading of the original paint, I suppose. Possible, but one of the schemes was a dayglo red rather than the Signal red used in this case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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