Homebee Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) So, after Kinetic (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234981269-148-amd-ba-super-etendard-sue-super-etendard-modernise-sem-by-kinetic-released) and AMK (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234952903-amk-super-etendard-148), Kitty Hawk (aka Kitty Wok) has just announced another new tool 1/48th AMD-BA Super Etendard kit - ref. KH80138 Yes but... Why not an Etendard IVM or a Etendard IVP? Source: http://www.kittyhawkmodel.com/#!kh80138/o5uzg Box art For the producers, if you're going French, be aware there's no modern 1/48th kits from: - MD.450 Ouragan - MD.454 Mystère IV - AMD-BA Super Mystère B2 (SMB2) - SO.4050 Vautour IIA/B/N - Dassault Mirage IV - Br.1050 Alizé - Dassault Mystère/Falcon 20 - MS.760 Paris - Nord 2501 Noratlas - NH-90 TTH/NFH Caiman - SA.316 Alouette III - SA.330 (Super) Puma, AS.532 Cougar, EC.725 Caracal - SA.341/342 Gazelle - SA.321 Super Frelon etc. V.P. Edited May 11, 2016 by Homebee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisov Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 London buses! Springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky coffeeboat Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Fantastic box art nevertheless. The same uncreative comments can be applied to just about any other manufacturer who churns out endless Spitfires, FW/Me/He, F-teen....yawn!!! Weirdly others criticise when companies produce models of unique or limited volume aircraft. Can't seem to win either way. Edited December 13, 2015 by pinky coffeeboat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Yes but... Why not an Etendard IVM or a Etendard IVP? So, after Kinetic (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234981269-148-amd-ba-super-etendard-sue-super-etendard-modernise-sem-by-kinetic-released) and AMK (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234952903-amk-super-etendard-148), Kitty Hawk has just announced another new tool 1/48th AMD-BA Super Etendard kit - ref. KH80138 Source: http://www.kittyhawkmodel.com/#!kh80138/o5uzg Box art For the producers, if you're going French, there's no modern 1/48th kits from: MD.450 Ouragan, MD.454 Mystère IV, AMD-BA Super Mystère B2 (SMB2), SO.4050 Vautour, Mirage IV, SA.316 Alouette III, (Super) Puma, Cougar, SA.341/342 Gazelle, SA.321 Super Frelon, NH-90 TTH/NFH Caiman, Nord 2501 Noratlas, Br.1050 Alizé, Dassault Mystère/Falcon 20 etc. Sigh. V.P. Ditto 1/72nd for most of that list whilst you're at it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Great box art, I do hope the kit lives up to it... Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flarpen Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Seems like the asian manufacturers don't have much of an imagination, most of them just copies what others are doing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotics Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Seems like the asian manufacturers don't have much of an imagination, most of them just copies what others are doing. That is exactly what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky coffeeboat Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 The same could be said about European manufacturers endlessly "copying" what others are doing with their almost endless regurgitation of Spitfires, Hurricanes, *anything Luftwaffe* Just saying... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabat Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 This is good news, always nice to see a manufacturer do something different. So , three kits to choose from, good news. If you can't talk about its merits or demerits of the actual kit, why don't you decry somewhere else, or lead a petition to campaign for a manufacturer to produce your wunderkit, instead of chuntering in a thread and being mildly racist too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I see it very positive from the customer point of view of course! a bit strange maybe the timely coincidence! there are at least 3 planes to be build for a serious modeler a Falkland Malvinas SUE an Iraqi borrowed SUE from the Tanker War in the Gulf and of course a current French Marine National SEM, in grey Afghanistan Camo, or one of the 2 colored ones! with LGBs and targeting pods! early high viz schemes?? oh, that is 4 already!!! we need another kit manufacturer! (Heller comes to the rescue ) not to forget various load-outs for the French Super Etendards! large or small fuel tanks, Magic missiles (as in Libya) Recce pod, double 125 kg bomb carrier, chaff and flare dispenser on the inner most aux-pylons buddy refueling pod .... better to e able to choose form too many than from too few options! I will definitly wait for reviews.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntPhillips Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I've been after a Heller Sue for some time, so this and the other announcements are fine by me. I won't buy all 3 new kits, I'll wait until they're released and purchase based on reviews and pricing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Fantastic box art nevertheless. Innovative also... seems to be based on parallel projection of the CAD model (small nose of foreground, big fin on background)...forgot to click on the "Perspective projection" button apparently. I don't remember seeing this on a box art so far. Edited December 14, 2015 by Laurent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) The configuration also puzzles me: 2x Alkan LL 5081 + 1100 l tank + AM.39 Exocet. AM.39 + 1100l = classic config. But never seen combined with two LL 5081. V.P. Edited March 17, 2016 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skids Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 It is strange to have a 3rd kit but surely KH haven't just decided to produce one because there are 2 others companies have one!. If CADS and stuff take time and money maybe it has been in the works for some time. And if a lot of money has been spent they cant just abandon the project? But it is what it is. Not my cup of tea but then it isnt my money backing the project Lets hope all these companies jump on the Su-17/22 wagon, that would be nice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Lets hope all these companies jump on the Su-17/22 wagon, that would be nice of topic, but you are definitely right! and Su-20 as well! so many small and bigger variations.... and so many operators and possible conflicts! It is strange to have a 3rd kit but surely KH haven't just decided to produce one because there are 2 others companies have one!. If CADS and stuff take time and money maybe it has been in the works for some time. And if a lot of money has been spent they cant just abandon the project? probably right! harder to break-even with 3 competitors, but easier to at least get some of your invest back than just abandoning after metal was cut...! that is calles business / business risk after all Edited December 14, 2015 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 so many small and bigger variations.... That may be one of the reasons why companies are reluctant to go into Su-17/20/22s: complex and big subject, quite limited parts commonality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skids Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The configuration also puzzles me: 2x Alkan LL 5081 + 1100 l tank + AM.39 Exocet. V.P. Could I ask why it puzzles? It is a very nice piece of box art 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntPhillips Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I hope that one of the 3 manufacturers will engineer the kit so that other variants like the IVM or IVP can be produced, I don't know if this would be feasible as I don't have any in-depth knowledge of the differences between versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayabusa Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Very nice to have a third Sue . Can't see the idea behind it. Kitty Hawks decision to drop the F-11 Tiger is even more disappointing in the light of this. The Box art besides the wrong projection, is only striking if you are not interested in realism, and then again i'd rather prefer the box art of the new Chinese J-15 observing a RC-135 or whatever it is on the box art. They try to copy the success from the flying pancake wich is ok if it sells. By the way what happened to the RF-101?????? Too much trouble to fix the Intake ?? What about Banshees ?? Come on KH stay in your field. Again disappointed by KH and i will not buy a maybe good Sue when i have two top brands as an alternative I'll buy AMK's no matter how long it takes to hit the shelves , got so many kits and no reason to be in a hurry. I'll buy the Mirage III DS from Kinetic as a compensation Still happy times for us looking forward to the Mig 31 and Mirage III DS and love the FRS 1 and Royal Navy Tractor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyK Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Extremely weird and defies logic. It's all beginning to look like some manufacturers are starting to throw the toys out of the pram in the wake of AMK's comet-like rise... It all sounds too strange. Thus far KH had a tradition of announcing their projects well in advance. Now suddenly they pop up with a SuE when there are already two brand new, state-of-the-art kits in the making (one of them actually already just released)? Or has the cost of tooling really come down so much that a (any) company can afford such a move?? There's probably always enough market for 109's, Spitfires, Mustangs and perhaps Phantoms that most manufacturers can have a go, but a SuE? Personally, I love the subject but then I love cold war jets and sometimes the more "left-field" choices at that, but I don't think the market is big enough to not feel the dent in sales between two and three separate new kits. Jeffrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) Release is reported for "early in the new year." Source: http://www.themodellingnews.com/2015/12/kittyhawk-show-off-their-48th-version.html#more The pitot on the tail is definitely not appropriate for a SuE/SEM. But this might indicate that there's a Etendard IVM/P boxing in the pipe-line. To be followed. Interesting: the access ladder and the CRM280 recce pod. V.P. Edited December 16, 2015 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastien Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Don't jet engines need air to work? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger331 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Sometime ago there was a rumour floating around about a falling out between designers that led to one leaving Kinetic (or Kittyhawk....I cannot remember which way around)...to go to AMK and then vowing to release exactly the same kits in order to dilute the market. I have never been one for rumours (in spite of enjoying this topic !) but it seemed to be vindicated by A). the fact that two manufacturers brought out two rather esoteric subjects (the Kfir and CM.170 Magister) in quick succession and then . an 'announcement' that the dispute was over, had finally been deemed to be counter-productive for all and that they would co-operate on future plans (i.e. not work together but at least deconflict their plans)....Well, it doesn't seem to have worked !. I also fear that Zoukei-Mura, with their previous track record, will also announce the release of a Super Etendard in their 1:48 scale range after the highly original, imaginative and innovative F-4J Phantom II along with the latest kit in their 1:32 range, a DH Mosquito ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger331 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Here we go again.......!.....the accuracy of a newly announced kit, not yet released and with no test shot images etc, being judged on the quality of the box art !...C'mon folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastien Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Here we go again.......!.....the accuracy of a newly announced kit, not yet released and with no test shot images etc, being judged on the quality of the box art !...C'mon folks I'm pretty sure I didn't post any box art, but a CAD pic. Must be old age... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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