Homebee Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 Released - Boulton Paul Defiant Mk.1 - ref.02899 http://www.trumpeter.cn/index.php?g=home&m=product&a=show&id=2954&l=en V.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 The parts count is about the same as the Airfix 1/72 kit (70) and much less than the Airfix 1/48 kit (113). I'm pretty sure the white code letters for HT-W should be MSG and the roundel colours are too bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85sqn Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Any reviews yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
593jones Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Any chance of some sprue shots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbolt Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 6 hours ago, VMA131Marine said: The parts count is about the same as the Airfix 1/72 kit (70) and much less than the Airfix 1/48 kit (113). I'm pretty sure the white code letters for HT-W should be MSG and the roundel colours are too bright. No point commenting on the brightness of the colors on the decal sheet since it's only a digital image and not the actual decal sheet, that all depends on how they print it. Even when looking at a decal sheet, colours can change a surprising amount when removed from the backing sheet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavingav1 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 45 minutes ago, Tbolt said: No point commenting on the brightness of the colors on the decal sheet since it's only a digital image and not the actual decal sheet, that all depends on how they print it. Even when looking at a decal sheet, colours can change a surprising amount when removed from the backing sheet. If they use the same colours as the westland whirlwind then the colours are to bright and the decals will need to be replaced but it's not the end of the world . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 8 hours ago, Homebee said: Released - Boulton Paul Defiant Mk.1 - ref.02899 http://www.trumpeter.cn/index.php?g=home&m=product&a=show&id=2954&l=en V.P. upperwiing B type roundels are wrong proportions from http://www.boxartden.com/gallery/index.php/Profiles/Camoflage-Markings/08-Boulton-Paul-Defiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasto Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Nice box art... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavingav1 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Strange that trumpeter seem to be keeping their kits hidden from public gaze nowadays, this kit has apparently been released and we have never seen sprue shots, what are they trying to hide........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbolt Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 8 hours ago, Troy Smith said: upperwiing B type roundels are wrong proportions from http://www.boxartden.com/gallery/index.php/Profiles/Camoflage-Markings/08-Boulton-Paul-Defiant Yes, B roundels IIRC should have a 2.5 ratio and it looks like Trumpeter have used around 2.3, which does make the red look a bit big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavingav1 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I'm a little hesitant but there's something wrong with the rear fuselage. Either it's the right length but bloated or the right cross-section but too short. I think. The wing chord may be too long as well. The turret transparency looks pretty sharp though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG X Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Airfix / Trumpeter - I know where my money would be going 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Fox Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Looks like the turret fairings are fixed I can't see any parts for the lowered position.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaselden Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Yeah...looks like there's only one position for the turret fairings. Also, the rear fuselage does look odd. The opening for the turret sweeps upwards so it's higher to the rear of the turret than at the front when, in reality, the front and rear rims are at the same level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
71chally Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 52 minutes ago, mhaselden said: Also, the rear fuselage does look odd. The opening for the turret sweeps upwards so it's higher to the rear of the turret than at the front when, in reality, the front and rear rims are at the same level. I would agree, it looks to me like the fuselage top decking (and natural line) comes higher up aft of the turret than it does ahead of it, I wonder it that is contributing to the bloated look mentioned earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhaselden Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 That's what I'm thinking. It also appears that the turret canopy is only provided in closed position which is a shame in this scale since it's such a focal point for the aircraft and the kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewerjerry Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Hi It would be interesting to see a side by side plastic comparism with the airfix and classic airframes kits but the clear parts do look realy nice and clear cheers jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 If you want an accurate Defiant, this isn’t even worth considering compared to the Airfix kit. I think even the original Classic Airframes kit might be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever219 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) The main wheel and leg doors look better than the Airfix kit: Trumpeter have moulded them separately where Airfix have moulded them as one piece. Guess how much bad language I've used separating the bits in the Airfix kit, go on, guess! The exhausts look from their orientation and location on the sprue as though they have been moulded with open ends (can anyone check please?) which is another job and/or additional expense avoided. Trumpeter have also moulded the tail wheel and its leg as separate parts, so one up on Airfix there too, but I don't think it's enough to get me to change allegiance from Airfix on this occasion. Edited January 16, 2017 by stever219 More blethering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Here's what the fuselage should look like 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Has anything ever been found to PROVE that Cock o' the North art on L7009? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 @Dave Fleming About the time the Airfix kit came out I seem to remember that being asked somewhere IIRC the answer was no, I'll try and find the source. @VMA131Marine Thanks for that picture, it answers my doubts. The main issue is that the angled movable piece is too short and set too high up the fuselage. To maintain a plausible width to this piece they would have to widen the upper side of the rear fuselage. Effectively an 'O' most of the way to a 'U' I believe this would give the bloated look I mentioned above. IMHO the wing root fairing extends too far back along the fuselage but I'm annoyed that I can't see what's bothering me about the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) On 1/6/2017 at 3:38 AM, Tbolt said: Yes, B roundels IIRC should have a 2.5 ratio and it looks like Trumpeter have used around 2.3, which does make the red look a bit big. This drawing actually looks a lot like the Trumpeter kit, but if you compare it to the photo of the Hendon Defiant that I posted later in the thread it does not appear to be particularly accurate. The drawing has the same short rear retractable fairing of the Trumpeter kit and the line showing where the top of the fairing would be when retracted is above the top of the turret ring. In the photo of the Hendon aircraft the top of the turret ring is clearly at the level of the retracted fairing. Because of the shallow angle, the small height error translates into a large error in the length of the rear retractable fairing on the Trumpeter kit. Here's a great air-to-air shot that shows the cross section a bit better: Edited January 16, 2017 by VMA131Marine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Let me admit that I enjoy a good rip into the very first public CAD renderings of any new kit as well as anyone, the more red lines the better, or seeing Trumpeter get slammed again and again as conscienceless knaves, but something about the sprue photos posted earlier in this thread makes me think that the shape deficiencies noted (fuselage depth, wing chord) may be due to image distortion - either a slight compression from side to side or a slight vertical elongation of the images themselves. As always, it might be better to have styrene in hand before lighting the torches. Just sayin'... John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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