caterhamnut Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Hi people, My second WIP post (other is FW16 F1 car) and first plane. I suspect this model has had a lot of WIP, as it is so new - so I hope another one is ok! Best way to get advice on techniques etc...the skill level on these forums is incrediable... Same story as many on here I am sure - used to make models as a kid, getting back into it 35 years later! Less likely to throw the result out of a window, set on fire - and I have an airbrush now! I love this plane, and once I saw a few reviews and pictures of the kit, I thought I'd give it a go...splashed out and give it a go! Going for the Operation Jericho version - incrediable story. So far I have worked on the cockpit, so I'll start there... It's a lovely kit - with a LOT of parts!! Some nice historical booklets included, different paint schemes etc... Small number of PE details. Everything goes together very accurately. Fit is superb. Love the ease that this green goes on - test fit of sub-assemblies (seats, instrument panel etc) I've worked on all the 'interior' elements of the main fusalage, again test fitting elements... 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 Apologies - a lot of the pictures are a bit dark - iphone shots, and only time I seem to be able to work on the kits are late night on the dinning room table! More tomorrow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Nice start on what looks to be a great kit! Regards, Jason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) I decided to try weathering on this kit - inspired by some of the stuff on this website. It is something I want to try on some of my F1 models (and others) in the future, so figured this would be a good place to try. I'm learning - so forgive the fact that this may look heavy handed compared to the masters on here! I only learnt some tips after starting (like using different paint medium when using washes, or using various clear coat layers - gloss/matt - to facilitate weathering washes etc etc...so I have tried a few things, and re-started on a few parts - but overall I'm pretty chuffed with how it has ended up - so far!! So these are early stages: In the picture above I had used an acrylic wash on acrylic - this of course dried very quickly, so I was unable to 'wipe off' excess...now I know about using a gloss layer, then using a matt layer after.... Adding detail... Much has been written about the PE, decals and clear lenses of the instrument panel on this kit - as this is my first plane model, I cannot compare - but it looks superb! Test fitting: I tried holding the airbrush a little distance away from the PE parts when I sprayed them to simulate a 'crackle' type finish (or at least not full-gloss) Edited November 16, 2015 by caterhamnut 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 So - intention was to make this entirely OOB, but I had seen people using Eduard harnesses in models, so I found some of these. Started to use them - and their tiny PE parts, but just wasn't getting on with them. Grain of rice for scale! It was only after posting a picture on another forum that someone pointed out that I had not removed the paper backing from these fabric belts - doh! Lesson learnt - but I actually preferred the PE ones from the kit, so after annealing them over a flame, I stuck with these.... Not weathered yet... And that is where I have got to with the cockpit so far - still a few bits and pieces to add. I have moved on to another sub-assembly - the Merlin engines. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted November 16, 2015 Author Share Posted November 16, 2015 Again, everything goes together beautifully - no fettling required. I also started to give these a little bit of weathering... ...and that is where I have got to so far. Hope it isn't too many pictures. Next stage is starting the wing central core that the main fuselage fits to, with more internal bay details. Really enjoying this kit - it really does go together amazingly, and I shall certainly tackle the 1/32nd Spitfire. Dream would be a 1/32nd Lancaster.... Will add more when I get some done! 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom216 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) OMG. Lovely. The cockpit looks great, and those engines look incredible! Hekka, just a little extra work and they could power an RC plane! Edited November 16, 2015 by Thom216 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infofrog Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 That engine looks amazing Rick I like the photos . They Are nice looking and clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Lloyd Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Great work. I might yet be tempted away from 1/72 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Primrose Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Great work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMCS Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Outstanding job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 great work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusty one Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I got one of these for my birthday but I'm too scared to start it!!😃 so I will just put my feet up and watch yours for a bit, great stuff so far...and you can never have enough pictures!👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Paw Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I have been looking at this kit with mounting interest for a while now. It is tempting me off the area of interest I have in 1/72 WWII German aircraft. I have made a (very early) New Years resolution of not to buy any new kits this next year, but to concentrate on making them. This is proving to to be a very great temptation. The quality along with the subject of this beautiful aircraft is difficult to resist. The idea of making kits within kits to produce an overall impressive final piece is calling! I have noticed you have not added any new posts since November? How is it going? I would really like to see any more progress you have made. The work you have done so far looks very good, it will produce an excellent final piece and is very encouraging to see. Thanks for posting your work, Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildagreek Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Looks good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geedubelyer Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Looking good so far caterhamnut. Dream would be a 1/32nd Lancaster.... Keep an eye out for the HK models product. They are planning on releasing a 1/32nd scale Lancaster at some point. It has been delayed a little by their desire to get it right so that bodes well. I'm hoping that Tamiya will offer a glass nosed Mossie at some stage. Keep up the good work and thanks for taking the time to add your photos along the way. I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates the in-depth visual treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaStix Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Very impressive project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 Riiiiiight. Been a slight delay in this one - lol. I moved to the MFH F1 cars, and having 99.9% finished the BT52b, I'm going back to this one for the variety. I also want to learn about weathering, and the F1 cars don't really have much of this! The military models tend to, and the skills you see here and elsewhere are staggering - I've also got a tractor to work on for 'mud'! I want to learn about and start using oils - as I will need these skills on the older F1 car models - chassis of Alfa 159 for example... So over a year ago when I started this, I had done some weathering on the cockpit - as a first attempt I was pretty pleased, but you learn a lot in a year and I want to improve... I have also purchased the Eduard detail kits - front guns, belly guns, interior and exterior PE sheets and some engines are on there way. The Tamiya kit detail is still stunning - but I want to try stuff, and go even more detailed. That being said, I will also do some very basic scratch building - TBH mainly just with wiring etc. So, I got back on this kit at the weekend. I cant use all the Eduard PE stuff in the cockpit without starting again, but I have used selectively. This has involved a little bit of a dismantle, but it came apart easily enough. I also need to try and 'match' what I have already done. In hindsight I think what I had done a year ago turned out a bit dark and messy - I want to tidy that up a bit, and managed to over-spray a little green over some grubby bits so I could start again... I'm going for the used look though - so I am committing to weathering the exterior of the plane, which will certainly be a challenge - a lot of surface area. I'm confident I can do the engines and engineering stuff nicely, having done a few F1 engines... So - with all that said, on to the photos. I started by breaking the main elements apart. I'm happy with the basic weathering here - but I got annoying silver sparkles from using some tamiya weathering stuff - that is basically eye make-up! I'll be getting rid of that with careful touching up. Some of the 'old' stuff looks a bit 'muddy' so will also tone that down. Of course, almost none of this will be visible once closed up - but when you have fitted a head gasket and moving pistons into an MFH Mp4/4 Honda engine, and then sealed it all up in a stationary model, that doesn't matter - the detail is still there ! So - this bulkhead is a major swap out - the grey one is from the Eduard nose gun kit - it has a bit more detail, and the upper fitttings for the ammo-boxes molded in, so I will use this. Only real pain is 2 yellow decals on the other side - I'll have to mask and paint these on the 'new' bit - don;t have a circle cutter so will come back to those with some fine scalpel work! Location of bulkhead... There are 4 ammo boxes in the nose - one molding in the Tamiya kit. These are separate in the Eduard kit. I painted these and picked out the detail with oil paint - thinned and painted on, wiped off with cotton buds and thinners - early days but I am liking it - more detail later. These are just 'clipped' (very precise this Eduard stuff) into place - lots of PE straps and chains to add to each one... Comparison shot with the Tamiya part... Whilst there are some decals and detail missing on the Tamiya bits, you can clearly see the difference in the Eduard versions... One of the biggest improvements in using the Eduard internal PE set are the foot pedals - old shot below shows the Tamiya version... New versions - obviously much finer, but a bugger to make straight... You can see the updated versions below... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 Nothing finished here by the way...nothing fixed yet! On the older pictures earlier on this WIP, you can see where I had used Tamiya panel line colour to bring out detail - but inexperience meant I had not used a gloss layer first, and it all looked a bit messy...now I have watched a few vids (highly recommend PLASTO on youtube) I feel I can try oils with a bit more confidence. I tried the panel gap first, but concluded this is great for fine detail, but not flatter areas - when I wiped the excess off using thinners, it wiped it all off on this sort of smoother detail. So I took the step into oils - thinned down loads, painted on, then taken off with cotton buds - I'm a convert. It will take time and practice, but I can see the potential. ...for sure this commits me to the grubby used look, but that's cool.... Mid-rub... Here you can see some of the Eduard PE parts fitted to the front of Tamiya components... In the shot below you can see where I have painted some of the round discs again to vary the tone (tip from someone elses WIP) - I believe that these are wooden discs that were fixed to the frame/skin and provided mounting points for fixing instruments and fittings too... This is a similar part pre-oil. The fittings and instruments are Eduard - more later. Yellow wire is Tamiya molding - I may replace with 'real' cable... Some more Eduard parts (the PE) with the Tamiya part also shown... Most of the internal detail kit from Eduard is instrument panel - you cut the molded detail off the front of the tamiya parts and glue the PE on - I'll leave the main instrument panel, as it is not bad and hard to replace - but there are lots of ancillary radios, boxes, batteries etc that I can upgrade. Many of the panels use multiple layers of PE to make them more '3D'... In this shot you can see the rear of the instrument panel. It will be hidden...but damn it I am tempted to add some wiring...grrr! So that is where I am now - I 'oiled' a few more green bits and hope to carry on a little bit quicker now! 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shan Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 wow, thats looking like absolutely a great start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 Right - bit more time on this again. I discovered and decided to try the Eduard accessories - don't think these were out when I originally bought the kit at launch...so I have the gun detail kits and the engine sets... Although I had started the engines from the kit, I wanted to try these. Super sharp detail, so I am going to max these out with wires and cables etc etc... Many pages in the instruction booklet - covers each engine separately as they are slightly different, hence double the sheets. Like many 3D printed kits, the pipes in this are well supported - so lots of very careful cutting out and trimming required. The plastic is hard enough that this is not too big a deal - not like the plastic and tiny parts on the D7 'dozer kit I have started, that break if you look at them. Lots of bags of bits, a small PE sheet (x2) The kit includes the engine pod panels as well - these are very thin and nicely detailed... I also bought this magazine, which actually features a Merlin engine (Spitfire) amongst others, so is a great source. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 So made a start on the first engine (I think I will do one at a time and learn!) Detail really is nice - I have some shots comparing the ones from the kit that I had started, and you can see the clear difference (there should be - this engine kit is not cheap!) - a bit hard to make out detail on the gloss black engine (it was ready to be weathered) 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Cat Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Great work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caterhamnut Posted October 6, 2017 Author Share Posted October 6, 2017 Finally back on this after a lot of moving and office relocation. Packed up and sent a load of modelling stuff back to the UK, so just left enough to be able to carry on with some specific kits. These are the first pictures uploaded with something other than Photobucket . I think the rest of this thread will disappear around Christmas, so I will try and update those images to keep this complete.... So I am carrying on with this engine detail kit - Lots of rather thin framework and piping in the kit that has to be trimmed away from carriers - they actually come off quite well, and are not that hard to clean off - I found scraping with a blade pretty effective... PE parts included... I painted the main block - kept re-touching as I went, adding parts etc... Don't fit this PE part at this point - I was too early and had to remove later for clearance....doh! I used my trusty metallic pens for details and highlights,,, I painted and added some wiring to these engine frame parts before fitting to the block... I've also started with some light weathering, as learning that is one of the reasons for this project (F1 cars tend to be pretty clean) - I am learning as I go so trying lots of things - oil wash, tamiya panel wash, pencils etc etc - The copper metallic pens are great for this - really smooth and no visible 'flake'... Also the first time using 'lead' for the wires - so much easier to shape and form, without putting any strain on anything (unlike trying to bend solid wire) - usual battle trying to identify where the wire it shows you to fix at stage 12 actually disappears to!! Although black here, I painted these pipes a dark grey later on... That is one engine structurally complete - I'll go back over it all and tidy up finishes etc, and add some more wiring, before trying it in the Tamiya kit wing (which I have not started yet) - I was going to build the other engine 'OBB' to compare, but I will now just build the detail version (like this) for the model. Maybe I will build the Tamiya verison for display next to the finished plane - or perhaps the other way round - mount the super detailed version on a 'trolley' - choices! Because I keep coming back to this model after long breaks, I am learning techniques elsewhere that I want to apply here, so I am re-visiting other elements and re-doing some finishes etc - particularly the cockpit (actually, that is all I have completed!) - Gun detail kits next!! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom216 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Your work on that looks fantastic. Nice progress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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