BallsBuster Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I have always used Xtracolour and Xtracrillics before, but for the current project decided to try Vallejo.... well it turned out rather different from what I expected... much darker and greener (closer to US interior green), than the Xtra paints. Does anyone now how big the shade variations were with RLM02? Which producer is closer to reality Xtra (hannant) or Vallejo? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Was that the ModelAir or ModelColor? I've not used the Model Air but Model Colour 70886 Grau Grun is a very good match for RLM02, one of the few RLM shades where pretty much all of the various RLM colour charts are in agreement. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Millman Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2010/12/colour-of-rlm-02-grau-grey.html and http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2011/03/notice-of-update_10.html Although I didn't measure it the Xtracolor seems a reasonable representation on the greyish side but going by the painted chip in their fan deck the Vallejo Model Color 886 also looks ok. The Vallejo Model Air 71.044 looks a little too greenish. As with the Japanese Zero colour it is the amber or brownish undertone that seems to get missed. Nick PS I have to admit I'm getting chary about posting such measured paint colour data here as there seems to be a general preference for the "evidence" of colour photos and anything I do post is pretty much disregarded when the same colour debates come up over and over and over and over again. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Please keep plugging away Nick. There's always new people coming into whom the whole subject is a mystery and hence likely to succumb to a more superficial approach. Repetition is inevitable in such circumstances and is not restricted to colour discussions. Throw in the rapid turnover and weak search routines on internet forums where even the best information is rapidly lost and indeed of repetition. Four or five years is a lifetime. Not least because of the vagaries of human memory (mea culpa, I know). Quite how much of your time can be devoted to such things is another matter, but your input would be missed. one of those coincidence - I was just thinking about searching for good data on 02 when I sat down to this session. So your input has worked for me this morning 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallsBuster Posted November 14, 2015 Author Share Posted November 14, 2015 Nick, Thank you very much for the input. Wouldn't occur to search for it at the Japanese Aviation blog. I am using Model Air paint and it is clearly warmer with more yellowish green tint to it (compared to Extracolor paints which are very "cold" and light). Provided my screen is more or less well adjusted, it is clearly closer to Lifecolor version. Having read your article it now looks to me as a fair representation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Nick, your knowledge and input is very much appreciated. As Graham says above I think the colour debates (and all the other regular questions) quite often rise again more due to new membership or people not using the search function before asking (which I must admit to doing more often than not) than anyone ignoring your input. Duncan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbhawkin Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) Or they could do a search and find topics that address their specific question. Does so and so paint match RLM XX? Here is a link to this very question: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/70597-rlm-luftwaffe-comparison-chart/?hl=%2Bpaint+%2Bcomparison+%2Bchart I am sure people will find numerous issues with it. But it helps me to find which manufacturer of hobby paint matches what I think is reasonably close to fresh RLM paint colours. Latest version is found here as comparison charts 1 and 2: http://www.petersplanes.com/links.htm To me Model color is closer to 02 than Model Air when brush painted. Edited November 14, 2015 by pbhawkin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I've used Model Color 886 several times before and always looked good enough to me. I'm glad to see that Nick's investigation came to the same result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyverns4 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2010/12/colour-of-rlm-02-grau-grey.html and http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2011/03/notice-of-update_10.html Although I didn't measure it the Xtracolor seems a reasonable representation on the greyish side but going by the painted chip in their fan deck the Vallejo Model Color 886 also looks ok. The Vallejo Model Air 71.044 looks a little too greenish. As with the Japanese Zero colour it is the amber or brownish undertone that seems to get missed. Nick PS I have to admit I'm getting chary about posting such measured paint colour data here as there seems to be a general preference for the "evidence" of colour photos and anything I do post is pretty much disregarded when the same colour debates come up over and over and over and over again. Well, I for one enjoy reading your deliberations on colour and would like to learn a lot more about the subject, please? Christian, exiled to africa but who wants to learn...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prop Duster Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Nick Thank You once again for your references. As noted by others; new people having those same questions as well as some of us not-so -new people needing a refresher as well. p.s. aren't you glad they didn't ask about "Sky" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmy Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Nicholas, once again many thanks for sharing your knowledge with us! Just a small pic to illustrate Vallejo Model Color 70.886 comparing to RLM 02: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbhawkin Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) These charts have the RLM chip colour carried across as a background colour behind each paint mark. It may make it eaasier to compare the paint to the chip colour. You decide. Edited November 17, 2015 by pbhawkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Humbrol do have 204 and did have an Authentic - which was good in the original packages set and awful in the latter general issue. I don't think 31 should be regarded as a serious attempt at 02. I still have a Gloy, whose paints were based on Ian Huntley's work, which is somewhat lighter than the WEM shown, or the new Humbrol 204. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Actually Hu240 Graham. I've recently used one on a BoB group build bf109 & although it took three brushed coats to get decent coverage, the colour was good, an almost exact match for Vallejo 886 as mentioned above that I used for interior detailing, wheelwells etc. Allowances made for iffy photography please. This was done for ATF & was the new tool Airfix Bf109E with the latest old tool decals. Steve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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