Solar Panel Phil Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Really fascinating data from Dana and Nick and others - many thanks for the information, this forum and the internet that such information can be shared so swiftly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Starmer Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 What an interesting discussion between experts. For what it is worth I have Robert Archers book of swatches and #9 Bronze Green looks a yellow green to my eye and a slight sheen. I have a copy of COLOR CARD SUPPLEMENT TO U.S. ARMY SPECIFICATION No. 3-1 REVISED APRIL 21, 1943. There is no colour or reference to Bronze Green #9 in this document at all, not even in the column for 'Old 3-1 Supplement No.' nor in the ANA list of colours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwart Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) https://crashmacduff.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/wildcat2.jpg Edited November 14, 2015 by Gwart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry c Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Those marks on the wall behind the Martlet, for lining up the guns perhaps? Garry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 Not an ideal angle but upper photo again suggests to me that Airfix spine is too broad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Not an ideal angle but upper photo again suggests to me that Airfix spine is too broad. The problem has been correctly pinpointed by Gwart here: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234991560-172-grumman-martlet-mkiv-by-airfix-release-september-2016/page-8 Obviously Airfix used the plans / dimensions of the early prototypes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenshirt Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Obviously Airfix used the plans / dimensions of the early prototypes Having measured the spine against plans, I disagree with the above statement. It is not "obvious" that Airfix have done this. The kit spine is spot on in width, but a mm short in height, giving the appearance the entire fuselage is off when making comparisons to photos. Made more dramatic when comparing to the Hasegawa kit spine, which is a mm too tall in the spine and measures as too narrow in the fuselage. Neither kit is perfect, each are in error by about the same amount albeit in different directions. Pick a kit and build it. Tim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 What's you goal with all the down watering ? The whole fuselage of the Airfix kits is a copy of the early prototypes with the fuselage too fat and bulges and all the resultinng pother problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenshirt Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Not an ideal angle but upper photo again suggests to me that Airfix spine is too broad. I will offer that the photo you mention is definitely not an ideal photo to make that assertion from. First, it does not show the base of the spine, and second, the angle is off. I've measured the kit spine and compared to drawings; it is spot on in width, but 1 mm too short in height, which makes the spine appear too broad when comparing to photos. Our eyes want to make the height correct... Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwart Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Crikey this Airfix kit spills out everywhere. In all pictures of production variants and prototypes post XF4F-3,the spine is as shown on the right of both the above pictures.It's lower edge is relocated to the stringers,these can be seen in both airframes on the first photograph.Look at the line of rivets of the left picture,then look at the right to see where the spine has moved. Its a really simple fix ,you don't have to raise the spine as the silhouette shape of the Airfix kit is acceptable.You just need to figure out where the stringer line would be then fill from here upwards using the upper outline shape as a cut off. Putty in place just waiting for it to dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwart Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 And the Airfix kit beats the Hasegawa one hands down,i dont mind some bodywork to fix the spine ,compared to having to make a ********* firewall from scratch everytime on the Hasegawa kit. Just need someone to make a decent vac canopy for the Airfix kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwart Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) I will offer that the photo you mention is definitely not an ideal photo to make that assertion from. First, it does not show the base of the spine, and second, the angle is off. I've measured the kit spine and compared to drawings; it is spot on in width, but 1 mm too short in height, which makes the spine appear too broad when comparing to photos. Our eyes want to make the height correct... Tim I've found another picture of XF4F-3 Edited November 25, 2015 by Gwart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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