wellsprop Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) Hi all,I'm looking for any Dakota operated by BOAC before/during WWII (with NMF finish).Thus far I have only found G-AGHF, shown in NMF pre-war. Would any DC-3's have been operated during the war in NMF and would they have had a large rear cargo door or a stabdard passenger door?Anyone got/know of any pictures of DC-3's operated by BOAC in WWII?Thanks,Ben Edited October 12, 2015 by wellsprop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) I've found both G-AGIZ and G-AGKF wearing NMF certainly post war, I wonder if it wore camo during the war... Now to finding decals Edited October 11, 2015 by wellsprop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I would have thought that any wartime civvy impressed types wore camo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) They would have all had camouflage. The cargo door is a C-47 feature, so at least the early BOAC DC-3s will not have had this. Possibly BOAC will later have received some C-47s with this. It is also possible that some of the impressed DC-3s may have had the passenger door on the starboard side. I don't know the history of the individual aircraft and (sorry) don't have the spare time at the moment to sort through the 4-volume Air Britain DC-3 histories... Edited October 11, 2015 by Graham Boak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I didn't think that any British airlines operated DC-3s before 1939. Aer Lingus had some on order and managed to get them out of Holland (they were being assembled by Fokker) just before the Germans invaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish 251 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 G-AGHF, referred to in the first post above, was registered to BOAC on 10 May 1943; http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/HistoricalMaterial/G-AGHF.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 Thanks for the replies all Shame there aren't many shiny WWII/pre war airliners. I may do a Dak in camo flying for BOAC, or I'll look for a pre war NMF airliner. I'll throw this one over to you guys for inspiration, any good NMF airliners before/during WWII in the UK? The Dh89 is an option! Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 AW Ensign, DH Flamingo, Lockheed's 10 and 14 come to mind. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Short C-class. HP42. DH Albatross. DH86. Spartan Executive (not sure of correct designation). Look for books on (for example) Imperial Airways or Railway Air Services. You might have to look hard for some of them as kits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) The Lockheeds sound like a good shout as they are kitted reasonably well! Cheers all Ben edit:except I cant find the special hobby kit! Edited October 11, 2015 by wellsprop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) The De Haviiland DH86 and DH89 were predominately of wooden construction, so not much natural metal on show - apart from the engine cowlings and undercarriage fairings. They do look nice in their silver doped colours though. I think most of the all metal airliners in use pre-war by the British airlines have been mentioned. You do need to check whether the silver finish you are looking at in a photo is genuine unpainted metal or whether it is aluminium paint or dope. Another silver coloured airliner used by Imperial Airways was the Armstrong Whitworth Atalanta - although I think that was painted silver. Edited October 12, 2015 by Eric Mc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 All the wooden/fabric aircraft such as the Atalanta and indeed the Ensign wing aft of the main spar were Silver doped. For NMF the Lockheeds are your main contenders. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Aer Lingus Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I didn't think that any British airlines operated DC-3s before 1939. Aer Lingus had some on order and managed to get them out of Holland (they were being assembled by Fokker) just before the Germans invaded. Sadly only one DC-3 EI-ACA was delivered from Fokker before the invasion there were reports ACB was impressed into service by the Luftwaffe not sure how through that is. ACA was written off at Shannon in June 1946 following a engine fire thankfully without serious injury regards Eamonn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 There is a well known picture of EI-ACA in camouflage colours but carrying large registration letters. It's a black and white picture of course so I'm not sure what the colours really were. Was the underside bright orange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Or how about the British Airways Ju-52? ( G-AFAP ) Not sure if it was transferred to BOAC in 1939. Have always had a fascination with these aircraft. Saw a great 1930's documentary on the Lufthansa service down to Italy. The starboard bulkhead seat had a shelf that could unfold from the bulkhead, with a typewriter attached. The corporate exec. could dictate to his secretary as they winged their way over the Alps. Don't know why that impressed me so much, but that little titbit always stayed with me. Cheers, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) Or how about the British Airways Ju-52? ( G-AFAP ) Not sure if it was transferred to BOAC in 1939. Have always had a fascination with these aircraft. Saw a great 1930's documentary on the Lufthansa service down to Italy. The starboard bulkhead seat had a shelf that could unfold from the bulkhead, with a typewriter attached. The corporate exec. could dictate to his secretary as they winged their way over the Alps. Don't know why that impressed me so much, but that little titbit always stayed with me. Cheers, Mike Now that's a good idea! I'll have a look into it. Ben Edited October 12, 2015 by wellsprop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Welsh Models have just announced a DH Albatros in their range. They already do an Ensign and a C class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 What scale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Welsh models are 1/144. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I thought they did they had done the odd 1/72 kit. I have an old Aircraft Models 1/144 Atalanta. This does mean that you could, in 1/144 at least, have a fairly nice little collection of pre-war 1930s airliners - Junkers Ju52 Junkers G38 De Havilland Albatross Armstrong Whitworth Atalanta Armstrong Whitworth Ensign Handley Page HP42 Douglas DC-3 Any others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 Its a shame none of the big names I.e. Airfix or Revell have kitted the likes of the Lockheed 10/12/14 in 72 scale! Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Special Hobby do a Lockheed 12 which is not bad - although short run in nature. They also do an Orion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 I can source a Lockheed L10, however I don't think there are any decals for a British Airways L10 in 1/72 scale I.e. G-AEPN Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I thought they did they had done the odd 1/72 kit. I have an old Aircraft Models 1/144 Atalanta. This does mean that you could, in 1/144 at least, have a fairly nice little collection of pre-war 1930s airliners - Junkers Ju52 Junkers G38 De Havilland Albatross Armstrong Whitworth Atalanta Armstrong Whitworth Ensign Handley Page HP42 Douglas DC-3 Any others? Perhaps they did do the odd issue, but the vast majority of their output is 1/144. Worth a check on their web site? You can get the trimotor Dewoitine, from Fresin (I think), maybe some of the other French examples too. AZ (or was it Legato then?) did a Fokker/Avia/Avro 10. I don't attempt to keep track of all the more exotic 1/144, it's amazing what is around in odd corners, but I suspect you could find an Fw200. Isn't there a DC-2 kit? The British could perhaps do with an Anson (Avro 19), but I don't know about that. Was the Atlanta used in Europe or only in India? That's certainly where they ended up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Mc Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I think they were designed for Far East operations. Some of them carried Indian registrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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