harvy5 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 My new project. It will be a building Mig-21 2nd and 3rd generations. Mig-21PF,PFM,R,MA,MF,MFN and US.The basis is a special Eduard "Silver Arrows" and Mig-21MF in Czech and Slovak service. I started with the worst version of the MiG-21UM Trumpeter is only caricature Mig-21UM. I cut off the fuselage with cockpit and the other is Eduard PFM.It is with that less work as correction of errors at Trumpeter model. And this is the Mig-21US in NMF with clear varnish..... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Aaaaaargh can't believe you cut up a Eduard Mig-21 😮😉 you're a brave man! Didn't realise the Trumpeter kit was so wrong. Looking forward to seeing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirageiv Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blogs On Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 I think I'd better pull up a chair and start taking notes as I feel that I will learn much. Regards Darren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marin Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Please, could You tell us what are worst features on Mig-21UM by Trumpeter that made it caricature? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan_cz Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Looking good! Keep 'em coming! Love the idea of this project! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjw Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Looks interesting... Cheers, Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 Why is Trumpeter MiG-21UM cartoon? Details chassis, cockpit, engine surface will not comment. . The main problem is short fuselage. In the motor section it is 2mm shorter and the front part of the body is 3 mm at the rear. Therefore fuselage looks very strange when compared to the fuselage version of PFM. US and UM version produced reworking front fuselage version of PFM. U version, was based on the PF. Another problem is the wrong shape control surfaces, flaps and landing gear bays. Evening I will add photos. Easier for me is the front fuselage Trumpeter UM add to Eduard PFM.It's just Trumpeter model! Only slightly modified form of the model versions F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 fascinating work.... I just got an old Neomega set http://www.modellversium.de/kit/artikel.php?id=529 to convert the Academy MiG-21 PF into a MiG-21 F-13, which Trumpeter have also made, and according to MiG experts, is another classic from Trumpeter, it 'looks' like a F-13. In my case, i don't know, but given the level of detail gone into on ARC about this I pssed on the Trumpy offering. I don't have the Academy kit, have been wondering about using the Eduard PF, looks do-able from some eyeballing of the parts. Any thought on the Trumpeter MiG-21 F-13? Or using the above set? Lok forward to updates. cheers T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 fascinating work.... I just got an old Neomega set http://www.modellversium.de/kit/artikel.php?id=529 to convert the Academy MiG-21 PF into a MiG-21 F-13, which Trumpeter have also made, and according to MiG experts, is another classic from Trumpeter, it 'looks' like a F-13. In my case, i don't know, but given the level of detail gone into on ARC about this I pssed on the Trumpy offering. I don't have the Academy kit, have been wondering about using the Eduard PF, looks do-able from some eyeballing of the parts. Any thought on the Trumpeter MiG-21 F-13? Or using the above set? Lok forward to updates. cheers T Exactly this step I want to do! Eduard PF model and conversion Neomega.Problem but is.... Neomega is for model Academi has a bad diameter of the fuselage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Exactly this step I want to do! Eduard PF model and conversion Neomega.Problem but is.... Neomega is for model Academi has a bad diameter of the fuselage. Kits not to hand, but I will try to use calipers and contour gauge to see how much difference. The Neomega set does replace all the front fuselage though. When I was comparing the Neomega with Eduard I couldn't a major difference in size, but that was by eye. Looking here http://sternlaurent.free.fr/migModeling/48kitsComparaison/academyVsEduardVsOez.html i did notice that Neomega have thicker wing leading edges to match the Academy. Thus discusses Eduard vs Academy. http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=227656 EDIT looking at the post linked in the ARC thread, I found this image Dark grey is Eduard, note that the Neomega set replaces bulged up spine on the Academy, and use the rear fuselage which looks to be the same diameter hope of interest, if not to you, to other readers. cheers T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Very interesting Troy. I have discussed with one fellow modeller about Mig 21F-13 and -Bis. He is former mechanic and knows these quite well and he's opinion is that making good one requires using several kits. And looking your mail seems to confirm this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 Not saying that Eduard is perfect, but at the moment it is the best model Mig-21. I'm a former mechanic Su-25, but at the airport we had a Mig-21 and also in schools. So something about him also know. And now a few differences between the Trumpeter and Eduard .... ... probably the biggest problem Trumpeter. I think that only modified the rudder of the MiG-21F. Trumpeter rudder to Eduard model ... and now little progress in other versions,from the top PF,PFM and R/MF cockpit PF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Very interesting Troy. I have discussed with one fellow modeller about Mig 21F-13 and -Bis. He is former mechanic and knows these quite well and he's opinion is that making good one requires using several kits. And looking your mail seems to confirm this. I'm late to the party on the MiG-21, for anyone browsing this who is confused by the the F-13/PF/PFM/FL/MF/R etc etc this page http://www.mig-21.de/english/technicaldataversions.htm is the simplest basic guide! For those browsing, and curious, In short Eduard have kitted most of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation variants, see above link, with the notable exception of the FL. They have also not as yet done the 1st generation, the F/F-13, though possibly they won't, which is a real shame as these were widely used. Trumpeter have done the F-13, which seems to be a typical Trumpeter kit, 'looks' like the subject but not if you know the subject. Hence my interest in the Neomega F-13, which looks very good in the box, and comes with Equipage wheels as well. My interest comes from Arab use, (damn Tom Cooper and those Arab MiG books...) and Indian use, which is annoying as these use a lot of F-13's and FL's..... Tom also does the ACIG site, some examples Indian use http://www.acig.info/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=168&Itemid=47 http://www.acig.info/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=169&Itemid=47 Thread here on the FL http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234981982-mig-21-question-indian-air-force/ Arab Airforces June 1967 http://www.acig.info/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=176&Itemid=47 Hope of interest Regarding the MiG-21bis, seems Eduard tried to use the same nose as the 2nd/3rd Gen kits, and it's different, though there is a resin replacement. http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234979859-cold-war-studio-resin-and-pe-for-eduard-mig-21bis-trumpeter-mig-15-and-revell-mig-29/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 Again little progress. Already are similar to the MiG-21 2nd generation. PF cockpit is PE and PFM from decal.From production had PF and PF cockpits in gray, and after overhaul changed to turquoise. ... and one common photo MiG-21PF, PFM and the US And this is the first Mig to this family. Mig-21MF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 (edited) After a long time little progress. Now comes what I do not like stencils ... Edited December 10, 2015 by harvy5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 Small progress for UM. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batcode Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Nice work so far, all 3 are coming along great...nice job on the schemes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirageiv Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 lovely job so far mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvy5 Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Mig-21US is .... DONE!!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drift Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 That's proper hey!!!  Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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