Troffa Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I must admit a certain penchant for the SU-24 Fencer, a real cold war warrior! Off to google for a kit... oooh, new tool from trumpeter in 1/72nd? Su-24MR correct variant for the above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Su-24MR correct variant for the above? Unfortunately, no. The MR is the recce version - the ones doing the bombing are Su-24M's - which Trumpeter will probably release further down the line. Ken PS - See Wiki :- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eng Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Wow, I knew the Su-24 was pretty big but seeing the clip in Post 4 of this thread has highlighted just how big this thing is, it's frickin huge!! The Su-34 is a big beast too, I didn't realise it was a tamdem main bogie. Can anyone tell me what the cylindrical object is on the Su-24 that is attached to the very front inner corner of the horizontal stabiliser? Is this some kind of mass balance for the moving stab? It can be clearly seen behind the armourers head at about 2:10 in the video clip in post 4 above. Some great images of these jets. Eng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troffa Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Cheers Ken, not too au fait with the OPFOR these days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveJL Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WlqrkXImsk Good video there. The sheer size of the Su-34 is impressive (puts it into perspective when the reported can stand up underneath the fuselage with plenty of room to spare!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Can anyone tell me what the cylindrical object is on the Su-24 that is attached to the very front inner corner of the horizontal stabiliser? Is this some kind of mass balance for the moving stab? It can be clearly seen behind the armourers head at about 2:10 in the video clip in post 4 above. There's no mass balance there - I don't know what it is - but I found a close-up photo in a book showing it - on a Su-24M It appears to be a short cylindrical red foam/rubber(?) tube with a black band around it (tape?) fitted directly onto the underside of the stabiliser LE root. I can't see any antenna there - I'll keep looking. Ken Edit :- found this photo http://scalemodels.ru/modules/photo/viewcat.php?id=264&cid=23&min=0&orderby=dateA&show=12 Still don't know what it is for though. Edited October 6, 2015 by Flankerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John the Yank Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Finished Mine, may change the ordy though. Love the ops videos on Russia Today. John http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234988247-148-trumpy-su-24-komplekt-zipped/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 PS ........ Just noticed it on my photo of a Su-24M wot I took at Lipetsk in 2005..... You can spot it when you know what to look for...... The red cylinder is joined to one on the opposite side by tape - which is pulled quite taught. Until we get a definitive answer, I'm speculating that it is there to stop the leading edge of the stab from drooping down as pressure bleeds off. It's just a guess as there is no antenna / mass balance there. Good spot Eng I'll zoom in on my photos. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Here's a zoom in ...... Note how the 'rope' goes over the fin to the opposite side. I still reckon they are 'stops' to prevent the stab from drooping - dunno why though... Fascinating detail for your Trumpeter Su-24MR. Ken 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Here is one without those stops in place: http://avia-mir.com/photo/su/su-24/006-Su-24M-2006.jpg Jari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis_C Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Yeah, Trumpeter just did a nice guess with Su-24. They should now quickly cook Su-24M version. However modern and correct Su-25 (also brought by VVS to Syria) and Su-34 are still missing... Edited October 6, 2015 by Dennis_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloegin57 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Here's a zoom in ...... Note how the 'rope' goes over the fin to the opposite side. I still reckon they are 'stops' to prevent the stab from drooping - dunno why though... Fascinating detail for your Trumpeter Su-24MR. Ken That's my kind of Engineering - keep it simple and works a treat. If that had been a Tornadoo that did that and the squadron linies had thought of it , BAe would have nicked the idea, patented it, and charged the MoD a zillion to buy it. Dennis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Once you know its there, you can spot it immediately. Here it is on a Su-24M I photographed at MAKS 2009...... Note that the rope isn't as taut - it is lower on the fin - so the stab is more drooped. As for why - probably to give the ground crew more clearance and to prevent them banging their heads ?? Ken Edited October 6, 2015 by Flankerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 As I already said, a great thread... must admit I am a big fan of the droopy flap look.. Got the Zvezda Su-24 but may have to get the Trumpy offering next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troffa Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 It certainly looks like a gag to stop the horizontal stabs drooping- unless that is an undesirable condition for mechanical reasons, my guess is that the linetski's need to get into an access panel that would be otherwise be prevented from being accessed, although there is not much panel rash obvious in those pictures for a routinely opened cover. Great looking jet though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_B Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Yeah, Trumpeter just did a nice guess with Su-24. They should now quickly cook Su-24M version. However modern and correct Su-25 (also brought by VVS to Syria) and Su-34 are still missing... They have already shown the artwork for the Su-24M so I guess it won't be long off. Pity they released the variants this way around but as they went to the effort to do the proper nose on the MR when Dragon didn't I can see why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Most manufacturers release the least desirable variant first. Trumpeter did it with their Backfires - the Tu-22M2 came out about a year before the more relevant Tu-22M3 I think Airfix are also guilty - although I can't remember what it was (Valiant?) - as are others. It's a purely commercial thing - which is what they are in the business for. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Who will be the first with the decal sheets??..........Photo source http://russianplanes.net/Ken 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Most manufacturers release the least desirable variant first. . I think Airfix are also guilty - although I can't remember what it was (Valiant?) - as are others. Well, they've obviously done it with the Wildcat. I mean, apart from a few benighted souls beyond UK shores, who could possibly want an F4F-4? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homerlovesbeer Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Damn these birds are so sexy! Thanks for sharing the pics guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Mostly previously seen pics but a few new ones: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:2015_in_aviation_in_Syria Jari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Carswell Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) Ooo, good pics! I knew there was a reason I haven't started my Trumpeter 1:48 Fencer kit yet ! Are those bombs available in 1:48? Jim Edited October 8, 2015 by Jim Carswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 @Jari: I'm a bit surprised they have almost only dumb bombs. Thanks for the link. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 What an improvement on the old days where you only got indistinct grainy B/W photos of Soviet stuff! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis pacheco Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Ooo, good pics! I knew there was a reason I haven't started my Trumpeter 1:48 Fencer kit yet ! Are those bombs available in 1:48? Jim http://www.eduard.com/store/Eduard/OFAB-250-Soviet-bombs-1-48.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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