PhantomBigStu Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 After getting another airfix starter set today and unveling my 10th little pot of humbrol 30 got me wondering if there is actually any use for that colour with all the myriads of shades used on aircraft? only use I got out of it was mixing it in some humbrol 90 to create Eau-de-nil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Ooo, a newbie trap! Can I start the fight by saying "I use it for dark green camouflage on WWII RAF models". No really, I do, it says so on the instructions 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight_Flyer Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Ooo, a newbie trap! Can I start the fight by saying "I use it for dark green camouflage on WWII RAF models". No really, I do, it says so on the instructions Indeed it does and one day I might actually follow those instructions. 1/72 Airfix Supermarine Spitfire Mk 1 in the stash clearly says 30/M3 for the green 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephLalor Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 How about using it as Dull Dark Green for P-47 cockpits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I use it for painting. Painting bits green On dioramas, before putting on bushes or grass. The small pots are great cos I can add yellow, or blue, to get lighter and darker shades in small amounts. It makes a decent undercoat/1st coat before the more accurate or preferred shade of green is applied. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsty Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 It's not a terrible match for the green that current Brazilian camouflage uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 It's not a terrible match for the green that current Brazilian camouflage uses. Is that a double negative to make a positive that it is a close match? Or is that a double negative to re-enforce that it is not a close match? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 It appears to be close to Dark Sea Green as arguably used on Martlet Mk.1s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsty Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Is that a double negative to make a positive that it is a close match? Or is that a double negative to re-enforce that it is not a close match? It's litotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I am intrigued by the Eau de Nil match. I have both of those colours, what percentages do you use? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) I am intrigued by the Eau de Nil match. I have both of those colours, what percentages do you use? John no idea, I just mixed it in till I thought I had a shade that looks obviously much greener than sky, I think it did end up just being the whole of the little pot Edited October 5, 2015 by PhantomBigStu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpm1did1 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) I used to used #30 as a generic dark green, and also as a pimer/undercoat as it seemed to stick where other paints failed. Those heady days of childhood reaching for 29/30 to provide for the majority of RAF uppersurface schemed...now you ask for a paint reference and the replies are often 'non-highstreet X' or '3 parts A + 12 parts B + 72 parts C with 1 drop per litre black/white for scale up/down'. (And I don't do 100mile round trips for 1 tin, nor buy 3x10ml to get 1x0.1ml to cover the 'third switch to the left on the under table box in the rear cabin) ...that's on the rare occasions people agree... I can't even get a bog standard out-of-the-pot RAF blue-grey or RN blue from my locals so what hope of I of ever getting 'accurate' exotic tints? ...MATT BLACK EVERYTHING!... Edited October 5, 2015 by dpm1did1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I used to used #30 as a generic dark green, and also as a pimer/undercoat as it seemed to stick where other paints failed. Those heady days of childhood reaching for 29/30 to provide for the majority of RAF uppersurface scheme...now you ask for a paint reference and the replies at often 'non-highstreet X' or '3 parts A + 12 parts B + 72 parts C with 1 drop per litre black/white for scale up/down' ...that's on the rare occasions people agree... I can't even get a bog standard out-of-the-pot RAF blue-grey or RN blue from my locals so what hope of I of ever getting 'accurate' exotic tints? ...MATT BLACK EVERYTHING!... But which Matt Black? Revell, or Humbrol or Vallejo or......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Onkey Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Well don't I feel foolish- I've been using it to paint model aircraft... Enlighten a poor newbie- what paint (or esoteric mix) should I be using to brush paint RAF WWII dark green? While I'm demonstrating my ignorance can I hazard a guess that I shouldn't be using Humbrol 29 for the dark earth parts either then? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Well don't I feel foolish- I've been using it to paint model aircraft... Enlighten a poor newbie- what paint (or esoteric mix) should I be using to brush paint RAF WWII dark green? While I'm demonstrating my ignorance can I hazard a guess that I shouldn't be using Humbrol 29 for the dark earth parts either then? nope 29 is correct, for dark green 116 or 163, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Onkey Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 D'oh! US Dark Green Matt or Dark Green Satin- any pointers on when is appropriate use each one? Thanks Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) D'oh! US Dark Green Matt or Dark Green Satin- any pointers on when is appropriate use each one? Thanks Adrian kinda irrelevant, as the differences are the finish which would be detailed by the final varnish coat, personally I would use 163 for RAF aircraft if I still used humbrol. Not sure how different 116 actually is shadewise from 163, but its meant to be FS34079 US Leaf Green which is a smilar shade to RAF dark green but slightly different when side by side Edited October 7, 2015 by PhantomBigStu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 116 and 163 are only very slightly different, makes little difference which one to use. Personally I prefer 163 but the latest enamel pots of 163 I've used were very bad so I switched to other colours. I've recently used Humbrol 30 for the darker green in the Croation MiG-21 green/green/grey camouflage scheme and looked quite ok to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 116 and 163 are only very slightly different, makes little difference which one to use. Personally I prefer 163 but the latest enamel pots of 163 I've used were very bad so I switched to other colours. I've recently used Humbrol 30 for the darker green in the Croation MiG-21 green/green/grey camouflage scheme and looked quite ok to me finally someones confirmed my theory, never been able to test it, every times I've gone to buy a tin I've got confused and got Hu117 haha, another I need a use for all the big pots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Onkey Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Thank you both. Looks like I need a trip to the model shop (could be expensive, I can never manage to just buy a pot of paint and walk out). Dare I assume that Hmbrol's Sea Grey is the correct colour for a Mosquito or do I need something different for that too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Thank you both. Looks like I need a trip to the model shop (could be expensive, I can never manage to just buy a pot of paint and walk out). Dare I assume that Hmbrol's Sea Grey is the correct colour for a Mosquito or do I need something different for that too? depends on the mossie in question, there are two schemes, neither is Hu27 correct scheme one 3 tone Dark Green, Ocean Grey (106) , Medium Sea Grey (165) scheme two 2 tone Dark Green, MSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 It appears to be close to Dark Sea Green as arguably used on Martlet Mk.1s. as Graham notes Dark Sea Green, also part of the low level Spitfire PR Scheme with PR Mauve. http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/36403-pr-aircraft-low-flying-scheme/ note post #5 Neither colour is in the current BS381, if they ever were. The green is in the A&AP book but the mauve isn't. There's nothing really close to Extra Dark Sea Green in any of the chip sets I have handy (BS381, RAL and BS4800). It's bluer than Dark Green and doesn't have any perceptible olive. Good old Humbrol 30 might not be that far away! John Scale Models used to recommend adding a dash of red to Humbrol 30, which is counters the blue, making it closer to the correct olive green that it's supposed to represent. It's still quite dark for scale use, as is Humbrol 29 BTW. the mention of M3/30 above, M3 was Airfix own Dark Green, which was an olive green, I remember using Humbrol 30 when I was 8 on Spitfire, and being knew then it was not 'the same' being darker an bluer than the Airfix colour.... which had to be right of course 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 nope 29 is correct, for dark green 116 or 163, I always found Humbrol 29 Dark Earth darkened when gloss varnished in prepping for transfers, but didn't lighten up afterwards when Matt varnish was applied. Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Onkey Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I should have guessed this would be a can of worms- they do say ignorance is bliss! My mossie will be two tone, dark green and MSG; unless Airfix have the whole scheme wrong for a 254 sqn Mossie in early 1945. I have a pot of H165 so looks like I only need one pot of paint from the model shop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 I should have guessed this would be a can of worms- they do say ignorance is bliss! My mossie will be two tone, dark green and MSG; unless Airfix have the whole scheme wrong for a 254 sqn Mossie in early 1945. I have a pot of H165 so looks like I only need one pot of paint from the model shop. it is correct though airfix have ommited the overpainting of the D-Day stripes in what is assumed to be ocean grey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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