canberra kid Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) re grass: well yes, somewhat serious at least. One way of checking the likely accuracy of a colour reproduction is to judge how the other features included in the photo appear. Normally this would be flesh, uniforms, and such like. Not having any of these present, I have to say that the strongly blue-green tint of the foreground grass in the upper photo just looks wrong, based on 34 years of walking past that particular patch of grass, but with the usual qualifier on memory. However, there are other signs in the upper photo - the red in the German fin flash and the ejection triangle also appear too dark. I thought exactly the same Graham, the grass looked much more, well, grassy, but the Canberra, looks decidedly brown! I may have a solution to the problem, If Welkin finds a shade of orange he likes the look of, I'll find a photo to match but seriously, I got my tin of British scarlet very soon (within a few days) of seeing the German B.2 so I am quite happy that the colour I used was a good match. John Edited July 16, 2015 by canberra kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Very interesting article E.E. Canberra B Mk.2 in GAF service by Ulrich Schlaeger Colour info given says Orange RAL 2005. http://models.primeportal.net/?p=3059 That's very good the only issue I would have is the use of the phrase Day-Glo, perhaps it's a translation thing? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwh Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 That's very good the only issue I would have is the use of the phrase Day-Glo, perhaps it's a translation thing? John I would agree on that statement, quite a few people get confused regarding, bright non standard colours, also Day-Glo and Flourescent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I may have a solution to the problem, If Welkin finds a shade of orange he likes the look of, I'll find a photo to match :-) Ha! Fantastic! Says it all really! Nice one John Put 'German test aircraft orange' into Google image search brings up interesting results, Difficult to see how I could be Dayglo?? . . . Kes (enjoying the research debate!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Just to throw a spanner in the works, I once saw one at Fairford fitted with wings from an RAF example Standard RAF camo with black yellow unders. I don't recall if both wings were like that but claerly a replacement and one that would make an interesting model.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Just to throw a spanner in the works, I once saw one at Fairford fitted with wings from an RAF example Standard RAF camo with black yellow unders. I don't recall if both wings were like that but claerly a replacement and one that would make an interesting model.... Take a look at the article linked to above by dwh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 There you go! My ancient memory ain't Take a look at the article linked to above by dwh. too bad after all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welkin Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) E.E. Canberra B Mk.2 in GAF service - very useful. I did a quick comparison with the Humbrol oranges in my paint-box, but none of them looks right. I do agree that RAL 2005 could be a better match, if I can find a paint that matches - any suggestions? What about Xtracolor 'International Orange'? Or is that too day-glo? Edited July 15, 2015 by Welkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Hu82 Hu82 Hu82 Hu82 Hu82 Hu82 !! . . . . Ha! The others are too bright in 1/72, but what ever you think is best will be the right choice, looking forward to seeing this go together, don't forget to visit John's Canberra SIG, all the research info you need is in there. . . . Kes (Hu82) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) From what it looks like on the screen I'd go with what Kes says Hu82 looks good to me, not so much on your sample but I googled it and found a photo of a C-119 with the international orange areas painted in it and it looks good http://tedtaylor.hobbyvista.com/140-italeri-c-119/page-140-c-119.html it's the second from the bottom. Whatever it's NOT 209! As Kes kindly says, when you do get stuck in and if you need any Canberra info take a look at my little site http://ipmscanberrasig.webs.com/ if you can't find what you're looking for drop me a line, I have more than I have on the site. regards John Edited July 16, 2015 by canberra kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 I have to admit that Humbrol 82 is looking much more like it, despite my advocation of daygo. This is very good news, as I was not looking forward to having to wear sunglasses when painting my 1/48 Canberra. By the way, isn't this topic a classic example of what Britmodeller should be all about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 I'll have a look if I have something in old German mags on the Bundeswehr birds, especially some RAL reference (which may or may not be correct). In any case, I think I read "International Orange" somewhere relating to them, though even if I remember correctly, and if that reference itself was correct, that of course doesn't mean they wore it for their entire career. As their service was long, they will have been repainted at least once, I'd imagine. If this was being done in Germany, all probablity is that it was a RAL-matched paint; if it was done in the UK, I'd guess there's chance for the nearest BS match to some RAL tone, whichever it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 if it was done in the UK, I'd guess there's chance for the nearest BS match to some RAL tone, whichever it is. Not necessarily; it would be painted what the customer specified it would be painted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Possibly, but unless some UK manufacturer produced RAL-matched paint, that would have necessitated importing paint from Germany, which probably would have had an effect on cost. Am I right in that a certain selection of NATO shades is more or less standardised (like Dark Sea Grey and Dark Green) and exists across the colour standards of NATO countries, with slight deviations ? If the Canberras were done in one of that shades and repainted in the UK, use of the BS equivalent shade would seem somewhat sensible. Many ifs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welkin Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) I have to admit that Humbrol 82 is looking much more like it, despite my advocation of daygo. I downloaded a swatch of RAL 2005 from the interweb and printed it onto my colour printer and it came out very close indeed to Hu.82. Edited July 16, 2015 by Welkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotthldr Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 RAL2010 Signal Orange Hint hint, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotthldr Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 RAL2010 Signal Orange Hint hint, RAL2005 was what the Day-Glo bands were painted on the F104 wing tip tanks and nose sections on the "Gina's " and it ain't that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 I've just had a look at my tin of Humbrol 82 and I'd be quite happy to use that for my GAF B.2, in fact when I do I will! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Seems the GAF Canberras were converted at Marshals of Cambridge, and weren't dayglo if the chap who composed post #11? Interesting stuff straight from the horses mouth?? http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/413281-luftwaffe-canberras.html . . . Kes (who is seriously considering building his own Kraut Kanberra!! in Hu82 naturally) Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 This colour, also converted and painted by Marshals of Cambridge!! http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Auster-C-4-Auster/1605271/L/ . . . Kes (amateur researcher) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welkin Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) RAL2010 Signal Orange Do Humbrol or Revell do Signal Orange? Edited July 16, 2015 by Welkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbudde Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 I think it's Ral 2009 Verkehrsorange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotthldr Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 (edited) The closest I can find to Signal Orange is Vallejo Model Color 805 German Orange. A few years back WTD61 painted up F4F 37+16 and a Tornado 45+03 in exactly the same colour to celebrate it's 50th anniversary. Edited July 16, 2015 by scotthldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 This colour, also converted and painted by Marshals of Cambridge!! http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK---Air/Auster-C-4-Auster/1605271/L/ . . . Kes (amateur researcher) That looks like a German Canberra John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Do Humbrol or Revell do Signal Orange? Not that I know of but they do number 82 John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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