Dads203 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Nice collection of stuff found, the Panther is in amazing condition just missing the tracks. http://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswig-holstein/Erfolgreich-Kampfpanzer-aus-Villa-geborgen,munitionsfund124.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Rogers Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Panther looks brand new doesn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Begs the question, 'How do you manage to park a Panther in a cellar'? Kev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevej60 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) Begs the question, 'How do you manage to park a Panther in a cellar'? Kev And just how big was this cellar? Edited July 3, 2015 by stevej60 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmatthewbacon Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 And just how big was this cellar? Before or after they parked a Panther in it? bestest, M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bradley Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 That's not a late Panther - its just resting...... Amazing find! It's not even dusty. Wish I could read German to find out more details - google translate is terrible... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayprit Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 A bit more here : https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/3bylst/original_and_almost_complete_panther_tank_found/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotorheadtx Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I wonder if there is a connection, direct or indirect, to the recently uncovered Nazi artworks & sculptures; Thorak’s “Walking Horses” etc.??? http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/21/mystery-of-hitlers-missing-horse-statues-solved/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayprit Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 From another site: Yes they were deactivated. But the Panther counts as Nazi-art and despite the barrel being blocked with welded lead, is seen as a weapon.The guy is also assumed to have had sth to do with Gurlitt (the guy with hundreds of paintings in his cellar)... That's the reason they raided his house in.the first place. He bought it in Britain in the 50s as trash, then worked on.it for years and rebuild it.The gun mantle used is an early one (no G vertical thing -Walzblende- on the bottom) but the rest seems to be G like features?Nothing mentioned about the tracks, but probs taken off as wheels do damage the road less if towed (the army guy said). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dads203 Posted July 3, 2015 Author Share Posted July 3, 2015 Looks like he had a V1 in the garden as well ? http://www.shz.de/lokales/kiel/razzia-beendet-v1-rakete-gefunden-panzer-geborgen-id10127276.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HL-10 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 And my wife gets annoyed over my collection of models! Seriously, hope the Panther ends up in a museum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 The 88mm looks in fairly good nick. Would love to see what else he had down there. Its funny as according to the locals everyone knew he had the stuff and he used to drive the tank around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrrhenus Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Now how cool is that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Begs the question, 'How do you manage to park a Panther in a cellar'? Kev Very carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andygif290368 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Perhaps he was building it on the kitchen table and the floor gave way.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Rogers Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 It was one of those monthly subscription things... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 The one with the biggest stash wins..... Game over .? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingo Degenhardt Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 From another site: Yes they were deactivated. But the Panther counts as Nazi-art and despite the barrel being blocked with welded lead, is seen as a weapon. The guy is also assumed to have had sth to do with Gurlitt (the guy with hundreds of paintings in his cellar)... That's the reason they raided his house in.the first place. He bought it in Britain in the 50s as trash, then worked on.it for years and rebuild it. The gun mantle used is an early one (no G vertical thing -Walzblende- on the bottom) but the rest seems to be G like features? Nothing mentioned about the tracks, but probs taken off as wheels do damage the road less if towed (the army guy said). The early G version had the Walzenblende without the 'chin', too. Seems to me like kind of a mix - early gun mantlet, late style (high) left radiator/fan housing. Here in Germany you need a permission to own 'weapons of war' - deactivated gun is one thing. Reduced armour (thin sheet metal in fact) for certain aeras of the hull another. Seems he had no permission to own these things. It's a bit funny his lawyer and other people are very upset that the DA asked the Bundeswehr to recover the heavy stuff instead of ordering some civilian firm, because it is against the law to deploy the Bundeswehr for anything else than defending the country or help in disaster areas (floods and the like). But who's better suited to recover a tank from a 'cellar' (in fact some kind of subterranean parking garage) than a Bergepanzer from the tank forces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hepster Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Rayprit refers to the Panther as having been acquired from Britain in the 1950s as trash - doesn't this mean its likely to be one of the batch completed after the war under REME control? The one at Bovington is one of these, and has a very similar mantlet, and also has no zimeritt. I gather that most of them went to scrapyards after completion of testing, usually with the gunbarrel sliced off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Wilson Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I believe it is one of the ten built after the war for the British army, it was found in a scrapyard in the 70s? and is in a copy of Wheels and Tracks mag dated 1985 that I still have, it was in running condition then but not complete (the cupola was not there as well as many other fittings). It matches the other two surviving "British" Panthers at Bovington and in a museum in Germany in having a late engine deck and exhaust and the earlier mantlet. Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck63 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Its funny as according to the locals everyone knew he had the stuff and he used to drive the tank around. Julien, must have been the same people who saw Atlantis and the lost Ark !Don't you think that in a Country like Germany the Police would have knocked at his door the very same moment that he's started the engine? Cheers Manu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Apparently not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Pity- I think that he should be able to have his stuff back, after all he bought it and restored it himself. Maybe he could bequeath his collection to a museum in his will or his family could sell it off when he can no longer enjoy his collection? Imagine if the authorities turned up to confiscate your models? Cheers Tony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Pity- I think that he should be able to have his stuff back, after all he bought it and restored it himself. Maybe he could bequeath his collection to a museum in his will or his family could sell it off when he can no longer enjoy his collection? Imagine if the authorities turned up to confiscate your models? Cheers Tony It will depend on the local laws and regulations. Both the tank and the 88 are weapons and weapons even if deactivated have to follow a number of regulations. Don't know what it's like in Germany but in most countries the deactivation has to be done by a licensed manufacturer and often tested by a legally recognised test centre ( a Proof House in the UK). If the man deactivated the guns himself without any test, there's a good chance he may end up in serious troubles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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