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1/32 Tornado cockpit


Simon Cornes

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I am comparing the Aries and Flightpath resin cockpits with the cockpit supplied with the Revell ADV. On the face of it, neither appear to drop in as such. On the other hand I notice the standard kit sidewall panel detail is similar to that on the Aries cockpit. I am starting to come to the conclusion that the ideal cockpit may use resin seats and, possible instrument panels and glare shields/tabs.

I'd be very interested to have your opinion,

Thanks

Simon

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Hi Simon there are 2 conversion kits out there one by Heritage and one by Steve over at the Tornado sig group, I used Steve's conversion and here is what it looks like so far.

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Graham

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Thats a very nice looking F3 Graham and I assume you mean you have used Steve (jacksdad) 's F3 conversion for the 'new' GR1 kit? I would also like to know where you got the walkway decals but my real question was with regard to the cockpit!!

Cheers

Simon

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No worries Graham! I have one of Steve's conversions and the Xtradecal F3 sheet plus an earlier one of GR1's but which includes an F3 as well. What I'm really interested in is how people have dealt with the cockpit question!

Cheers

Simon

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If you're looking to make an F.3 rather than an F.2, there is a dedicated Avionix (aka Black Box) F.3 cockpit set. Like all the others, it's designed to fit the second generation Revell IDS/GR1 kits rather than the old F.2/ADV version, so you will need to use one of the conversion sets.

Personally I'd spend the £50 on the Heritage one, as the other option is allegedly of dubious, err... shall we say, heritage?

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Hi Al,

My question was more generic than that, Does the Aries cockpit fit a Revell ADV or, for that , matter the original IDS/GR1 boxing? And I now think that the answer is 'no' its designed for the 'new' GR1 kit.

I think therefore that the best way to build an original ADV/IDS kit is by using the kit cockpit tub and then resin seats - my choice being Aries I think. Regarding instrument panels/tabs, etc then I think that the Aries parts are probably better than the original kit bits, with some mods for the F2/3. An Eduard colour etch set would be really useful I think . I see that 32-034 is discontinued but I don't think that was colour? Maybe Eduard are waiting for the kit to come out again? I know that you would just paint it Al so I may use the Aries sidepanel tops as patterns to make a couple of shallow moulds to use with the Revell parts? The Eduard 1/48th colour etch could provide some useful colour reference - if its accurate.

All good fun

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I like the Eduard cockpit sets and I would probably use one if available for any subject if I don't already have a resin cockpit. The only issue they often have is that their panel colours aren't always a good match for the "right" colours. It's good to be able to get an older (non-coloured) set because you can paint them the same colours as your kit cockpit.

The idea of using the Aires sidewalls/panels with the old kit is a good one - you can get it to fit a lot easier that way. It'll need a bit more work, but you'll be able to tailor it exactly to your needs!

Al

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Al

Thanks for that, you have given me to information I needed and I know what you mean about shades of grey. I am using your build article on the Trumpeter 1/48 Vigilante where you make exactly that point although I still ended up buying the Eduard colour etch for that!

Simon

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Simon

as to your question "Does the Aries cockpit fit a Revell ADV', I don't think so.

Ages ago about year 1988 I improved the old 1/32 Revell F2 ADV kit and had to, amongst others, widen the cockpit section.

A simple modelling report can be seen here on the old F2 ADV kit:

http://designer.home.xs4all.nl/models/tornado/tornado.htm

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Note that the F2 is shorter and quite different as compared to the later F3 ADV.

Also, I made my own F3 resin conversion set (some were also shipped worldwide to individual 1/32 scale Tornado modellers also in the U.K. ) for the later much better Revell kit. Check out my Tornado F3 modelling report here:

http://designer.home.xs4all.nl/models/tornado-resin/tor-resin-1.htm

Enjoy building your Tornado!

Best regards, Meindert

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Many thanks Meindert,

Those are some really useful links. I am taking the view that the original GR1 and ADV cockpits can be improved with Aries seats and instrument panels whilst retaining the original tub. Because the Aries tub is to wide for the old moulds. I have both the ADV kit and new GR1 plus an F3 conversion via the Tornado SIG. Apart from the increased afterburner length and under rudder fillet I believe the F2 and F3 are essentially the same length.

Cheers

Simon

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Hi tempestfan,

No I think you'll find that the F2 and F3 both have the fuselage plug behind the cockpit (compared to an IDS) and then the only thing that is different between the F2 and F3 is the engine length, which I believe is down to the afterburner section. But I could be wrong!!

Simon

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OK, then I'm probably wrong, but my recollection was that there was some "internal" extra length required by the new engines of the matured fighter version. Probably down to an ageing and fading memory :pipe:

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Hi Simon there are 2 conversion kits out there one by Heritage and one by Steve over at the Tornado sig group, I used Steve's conversion and here is what it looks like so far.

tornado%20armed_zpstkiebzgr.jpg

Graham

Hi Graham, where did you get the white walkways? they look great...

regards

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Hi Graham, where did you get the white walkways? they look great...

regards

Hi LucaP

I asked Graham that and the answer was that he used the walkways from the F2 kit

Cheers

Simon

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