Simon Cornes Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I am comparing the Aries and Flightpath resin cockpits with the cockpit supplied with the Revell ADV. On the face of it, neither appear to drop in as such. On the other hand I notice the standard kit sidewall panel detail is similar to that on the Aries cockpit. I am starting to come to the conclusion that the ideal cockpit may use resin seats and, possible instrument panels and glare shields/tabs. I'd be very interested to have your opinion, Thanks Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrierpilot Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I didn't know that Revell did a 1/32nd scale Tornado ADV or have you got the old F2 version??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 The F2 kit is badged up as the ADV and that remains the only interceptor kit in 1/32, sadly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Hi Simon there are 2 conversion kits out there one by Heritage and one by Steve over at the Tornado sig group, I used Steve's conversion and here is what it looks like so far. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 Thats a very nice looking F3 Graham and I assume you mean you have used Steve (jacksdad) 's F3 conversion for the 'new' GR1 kit? I would also like to know where you got the walkway decals but my real question was with regard to the cockpit!! Cheers Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Hi Simon sorry about that but I wasn't sure if you knew they were out there and the decals were from the F2 sheet. Cheers Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 No worries Graham! I have one of Steve's conversions and the Xtradecal F3 sheet plus an earlier one of GR1's but which includes an F3 as well. What I'm really interested in is how people have dealt with the cockpit question! Cheers Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) If you're looking to make an F.3 rather than an F.2, there is a dedicated Avionix (aka Black Box) F.3 cockpit set. Like all the others, it's designed to fit the second generation Revell IDS/GR1 kits rather than the old F.2/ADV version, so you will need to use one of the conversion sets. Personally I'd spend the £50 on the Heritage one, as the other option is allegedly of dubious, err... shall we say, heritage? Edited June 22, 2015 by Brokenedge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 Hi Al, My question was more generic than that, Does the Aries cockpit fit a Revell ADV or, for that , matter the original IDS/GR1 boxing? And I now think that the answer is 'no' its designed for the 'new' GR1 kit. I think therefore that the best way to build an original ADV/IDS kit is by using the kit cockpit tub and then resin seats - my choice being Aries I think. Regarding instrument panels/tabs, etc then I think that the Aries parts are probably better than the original kit bits, with some mods for the F2/3. An Eduard colour etch set would be really useful I think . I see that 32-034 is discontinued but I don't think that was colour? Maybe Eduard are waiting for the kit to come out again? I know that you would just paint it Al so I may use the Aries sidepanel tops as patterns to make a couple of shallow moulds to use with the Revell parts? The Eduard 1/48th colour etch could provide some useful colour reference - if its accurate. All good fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I like the Eduard cockpit sets and I would probably use one if available for any subject if I don't already have a resin cockpit. The only issue they often have is that their panel colours aren't always a good match for the "right" colours. It's good to be able to get an older (non-coloured) set because you can paint them the same colours as your kit cockpit. The idea of using the Aires sidewalls/panels with the old kit is a good one - you can get it to fit a lot easier that way. It'll need a bit more work, but you'll be able to tailor it exactly to your needs! Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 Al Thanks for that, you have given me to information I needed and I know what you mean about shades of grey. I am using your build article on the Trumpeter 1/48 Vigilante where you make exactly that point although I still ended up buying the Eduard colour etch for that! Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Wow that's an old one! Sorry about the pictures in the thread, it gets a bit chaotic later on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 It told me everything I needed to know!!! 2007 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meindert Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) Simon as to your question "Does the Aries cockpit fit a Revell ADV', I don't think so. Ages ago about year 1988 I improved the old 1/32 Revell F2 ADV kit and had to, amongst others, widen the cockpit section. A simple modelling report can be seen here on the old F2 ADV kit: http://designer.home.xs4all.nl/models/tornado/tornado.htm Note that the F2 is shorter and quite different as compared to the later F3 ADV. Also, I made my own F3 resin conversion set (some were also shipped worldwide to individual 1/32 scale Tornado modellers also in the U.K. ) for the later much better Revell kit. Check out my Tornado F3 modelling report here: http://designer.home.xs4all.nl/models/tornado-resin/tor-resin-1.htm Enjoy building your Tornado! Best regards, Meindert Edited July 4, 2015 by meindert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share Posted July 4, 2015 Many thanks Meindert, Those are some really useful links. I am taking the view that the original GR1 and ADV cockpits can be improved with Aries seats and instrument panels whilst retaining the original tub. Because the Aries tub is to wide for the old moulds. I have both the ADV kit and new GR1 plus an F3 conversion via the Tornado SIG. Apart from the increased afterburner length and under rudder fillet I believe the F2 and F3 are essentially the same length. Cheers Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I IRC the F.3 had a (2 to 3 ft or something) section inserted in the rear centre fuselage to accommodate the internally longer engines. But don't nail me to the dimensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 Hi tempestfan, No I think you'll find that the F2 and F3 both have the fuselage plug behind the cockpit (compared to an IDS) and then the only thing that is different between the F2 and F3 is the engine length, which I believe is down to the afterburner section. But I could be wrong!! Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 OK, then I'm probably wrong, but my recollection was that there was some "internal" extra length required by the new engines of the matured fighter version. Probably down to an ageing and fading memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaP Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Hi Simon there are 2 conversion kits out there one by Heritage and one by Steve over at the Tornado sig group, I used Steve's conversion and here is what it looks like so far. Graham Hi Graham, where did you get the white walkways? they look great... regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted July 7, 2015 Author Share Posted July 7, 2015 Hi Graham, where did you get the white walkways? they look great... regards Hi LucaPI asked Graham that and the answer was that he used the walkways from the F2 kit Cheers Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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