Hamden Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Nice to see these back on the bench. Glad you managed to sort the rivet problem in the end! Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, keefr22 said: Ooohhh, if two of those happen to be looking for a new home in exchange for some beer tokens, I know of an early 'awk that will gladly give them a new home (one day!) Keith I was kinda hoping to get CT to Huddy and by sleight of hand misappropriate the buck for my own nefarious purposes while he was busily engaged in the beauties of said venue Or the lassie selling coffee Nefarious me, see Edited January 19, 2017 by perdu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Fritag said: If anything the question to be addressed is whether the subtlety of the effect is worth all of the work.... that is a rhetorical question... right ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Welcome back Steve! Great to see the mojo killing problem sorted and a great post - riveting! (See what I did there? Oh, suit yourselves) Have a good ski trip and for goodness sake don't break anything that stops you getting back to the bench 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshiretaurus Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 20 minutes ago, perdu said: I was kinda hoping to get CT to Huddy CT has Bolton, Huddy, Cosford & Telford on the intentions list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Good to see this underway again! Martian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookenbacher Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Looks like the riveting conundrum ended in another triumph. Enjoy the slopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Great to see some more progress on these little beauties. Rather you than me with those rivets...... Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary West Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Its been a while since my last visit, and a happy 15 minutes just spent catching up.......... respect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrish Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 all very fascinating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonl Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Excellent work on the rivets. Perseverance wins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselweasel Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Mr Fritag sir, is there any more news on the two Hawks please, i am wanting to see them painted please, pretty please. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 I found this poor neglected little thread languishing on page 20 of the forum and thought it could do with a little dusting off….. Sorry for her extended absence - it's been a busy start to the year. I've been lucky enough to get away skiing twice and I've just come back from a short break in the Andalusia region of Spain and the corollary of these trips away is that I've been up to my eyeballs in work in between times - the upsides and downsides of self-employment Oh - and the weather's been good for getting out cycling as well..... Anyways - IIRC (it seems a long time ago...) the last thing I did (after much faffing about) was to put HGW rivets on the rear fuselage. The next job I wanted to get out of the way was to make the flaps. The Hawk has slotted flags that hinge in the fairings below the wing. They're not moulded separately by Airfix - which is not really surprising. The flaps on the T1/T1A have two lowered settings; which IIRC are 25 degrees for take off and 50 degrees for landing. Unfortunately for the poor modeller the Hawk is always parked with the flaps down and so some sort of attempt has got to be made to represent the lowered flaps. Actually I have no memory at all of what setting the flaps are left after shut down - but an educated guess by looking at photo’s on the web and comparing parked/take off views is that they are left at full down rather than take-off and that's what I've gone for at the moment. If any one out there knows better and can say that the flaps are left at the 25 degree/take off setting then feel free to let me know as it’ll be easy enough at the moment to adjust the angle Ages ago I cut away the kit flaps and extended and reshaped them and cast resin copies: That was easy enough to do. The next step was to add the slotted section. I made the supports from 1mm strip glued into slots cut into the flap leading edge with a razor saw: And set up a mini production line: I cut the supports to size and shape: And made the slotted sections from some 1.5mm strip sanded to an airfoil section and then undercut using a trusty scraping gizmo. It almost takes longer to explain it than to do it!: And then that got glued to the supports. Production line: And first two off the line : Easy enough to fix the rear flap hinge fairings at the required angle using a simple jig (and to alter the angle if need be): And the first flap dry fitted: And two dry fitted: I'm not going to fix the flaps in place yet. I'll do so after final priming - and possibly even after painting. When I do fix them in place I can fiddle and fettle a little to get the position as good as can be. I'm pleased to have found some time and made a little progress....On second thoughts I haven't been looking forward to doing the flaps, so it may be a biggish step forward. Must try and maintain a bit of momentum now.......... Steve 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CedB Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Great to see you back Steve and with the usual modest posting of excellent modelling skills - those flaps look amazing. Welcome back! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Seconded 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 21 minutes ago, Fritag said: (it seems a long time ago...) It was....!! Thirded on the welcome back Steve, & many thanks indeed for that most excellent dropped flaps tutorial. I've got a Hawk or four that will one day need such things, & despite having dozens of pics I've specifically taken at airshows as reference for the work, I was still struggling to work out the exact configuration of the things. All is now clear! Great to see these little gems under way again! Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giemme Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Glad to see you back at this, Steve Usual excellent craftsmanship on those flaps looking forward to more progress Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamden Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Welcome back Nice workmanship on the flaps Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Sexted...... Not sure if that's appropriate so double ellipsesed Any way, yes its nice weather... And in other news We have miracle flaps to enjoy! Great to have you back, I wondered if you'd wandered away but now we've got your attention can we discuss the starboard flap? Is the trailing edge curved on your monitor or is it just me as usual? Really good to have you home mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomoshenko Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMP man Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Tomo beat me to it, but I was was going to post up Hello Hello, I'm Back Again, but decided it was a bit un-PC Strange how excited a mortal can get when the gods add to the greater understanding Far more delicate than the PP offering if memory serves Box On Strickers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Indeed, welcome back! It must be a tough life, what with all that skiing.... The flaps look fabulous, looking forward to more in the near future! Ian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendie Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 oooohh nice delicate work, accomplished with surgical precision. Oh ! and welcome to the forum - it's always nice to see new blood coming on board 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) @Tomoshenko - You get the prize for hyperbole and making me laugh Tom - But having only just this morning caught up with your Lancaster build and marvelled over that rear turret - I'm just happy that you're interested enough to stop by have a peek. Mind you the same sentiment goes for the rest of you chaps too - bloomin' high standard of work on BM at the mo. Every one a winner - it crossed my mind to let the hawks fade unfinished into history....... 8 hours ago, keefr22 said: & despite having dozens of pics I've specifically taken at airshows as reference for the work, I was still struggling to work out the exact configuration of the things. All is now clear! Yep it's not easy to figure it out from scratch is it. I did the Hawk ground school and hundreds of walk-around checks on the wee beast and I still sat puzzling over various photos for a while. I'm confident now that I've got it right - down to the correct number and (within reason) position of the supports for the little flaplets. 7 hours ago, giemme said: looking forward to more progress Me too. Got two more flaps to finish off first tho..... 6 hours ago, perdu said: We have miracle flaps to enjoy! Great to have you back, I wondered if you'd wandered away but now we've got your attention can we discuss the starboard flap? Is the trailing edge curved on your monitor or is it just me as usual? Really good to have you home mate Cheers Bill. I think the apparent curve is a function of the macro photography with the iPad. There trailing edges are straight as a ruler - honest guv: But keep those peepers peeled Bill. I'll have need of your input when it comes to getting the curves right on the paint job on the Valley Hawk - you saved me on the JPs remember! 5 hours ago, HAMP man said: Far more delicate than the PP offering if memory serves The FP white metal flaps have the flaplets moulded into the front of the flaps - so there's no slot to be seen. It's a big improvement over the kit and a more than acceptable solution bearing in mind the limits of moulding etc. - But well - you know - it just seemed possible to do a bit better than that...... 3 hours ago, limeypilot said: Indeed, welcome back! It must be a tough life, what with all that skiing.... Don't get me started Ian. A week of bright weather and compacted, fast pistes at Alpbach (skied with some old RAF chums and a couple of semi-retired ski instructors and following the lines of those two at speed down some compacted steep black runs was eye opening) and then the following months some lovely fresh powder at chamonix....... Edited April 10, 2017 by Fritag 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fritag Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, hendie said: Oh ! and welcome to the forum - it's always nice to see new blood coming on board 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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