Slater Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Beef for jets - interesting concept: http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2014/12/30/russia-argentina-jets-food/21045405/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darby Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 My money would still be on a lone Pusser's Grey backed up by a Typhoon CAP. That is once the game of bowls has been played...best of three as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver66 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Argentina is a wonderful country , wish their politicians would try and look after it's people more and not escalate military activity in the South Atlantic that is not in the interest of the population of Argentina or the UK. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis pacheco Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 28th of December is the "Dia des los Inocentes" which is April fools in many Latin America countries and Spain. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorth Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) 28th of December is the "Dia des los Inocentes" which is April fools in many Latin America countries and Spain. Yep, I fell for that one already when I made a post about this same subject over on the ARC forums a day or so ago. I showed my ignorance of Latin American holidays and British media sources at once there. Live and learn. The story's absence from major outlets like BBC and Reuters should have been a tip off for me. too much relaxing and holiday cheer to blame, I guess. Edited December 31, 2014 by upnorth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundowner14 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 It was covered in The Express on the 28th, though overall that story was a piece of lazy journalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ade Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Swearing removed. Read the forum rules regarding this. Edited January 1, 2015 by Greg B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSTON Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 don't believe a word.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HP42 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) So is the story nonsense and a version of an April fool's joke, or is there any substance to this? ...or could it have substance but released on 'April fool's' day to bury it in a form of double bluff? The thing is, Argentina will be looking to replace their aircraft at some point, they can't go on forever with 1980s equipment. The country is in a sorry state financially but with a few aircraft such as these they could simply irritate. Aircraft in one tranche, missiles quietly in another later on perhaps? Whilst the talk is of our aircraft carrier being late and unable to fill the gap, surely we wouldn't want to keep such an important and vulnerable asset deployed there for long? It couldn't be relived anyway. We already have an aircraft carrier there, it's called RAF Mount Pleasant. Best defend the islands from within. Can 4 Typhoons really do the job or do we need to deploy more assets? (removed this bit as 33 year old (and older) politics might be deemed 'too soon'...) The recent Top Gear episode could so easily have been a huge tourist advertisement worth many millions. If the Argentinians had taken a different attitude I'm sure it would become a new summer tourist destination (in our winter!). If they saw the light on the Falklands and stopped being so hostile we'd probably jointly develop the oil wealth at some point. This coupled with tourism would do wonders for their flagging economy. Edited January 4, 2015 by HP42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVi Tophatter Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Beef for jets - interesting concept: http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2014/12/30/russia-argentina-jets-food/21045405/ There is an underlying truth of sorts. Of course Argentina will still have to pay for any hardware they might aquire, just more political theatrics to try and bypass 'sanctions'. It's quite funny as it's pathetic, the long term 'gainers' are the Russian and Chinese interests taking advantage of foolish/desperate polititians. Feel sorry for the everyday Argentinian. BTW, does the airforce even have the infrastructure to operate Su-24's? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billydick Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Mods - is this thread not a little too political ? Only imo..... BillyD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A H Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 It seems odd that, having had their request to purchase Gripens (presumably via the production to be set up in Brazil), the Su-24 would be considered an acceptable alternative. I guess it would make a cost-effective anti-shipping platform if combined with Kh-31 and/or Kh-35 missiles, but so would a Super Étendard armed with Exocet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Beef for jets - interesting concept: http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2014/12/30/russia-argentina-jets-food/21045405/ Not a new concept though: during WW2 Argentina was a large supplier of meat to Britain and after the war a number of British aircrafts were delivered as partial compensation for the sums still due to the Latin American country. Edited January 4, 2015 by Giorgio N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HP42 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 It seems odd that, having had their request to purchase Gripens (presumably via the production to be set up in Brazil), the Su-24 would be considered an acceptable alternative. I guess it would make a cost-effective anti-shipping platform if combined with Kh-31 and/or Kh-35 missiles, but so would a Super Étendard armed with Exocet. There's no point going after ships that aren't there, there's no 'task force' now. The prime target would be to capture the airbase surely? The islands are better defended from the islands themselves rather than from the sea, especially as we have fast jets doing CAP. It all appears a bit odd really. Unless they control the skies there's little point in having the Su-24. I'd like to think the Grippen will be out of their reach as the UK is said to supply 30% of the parts. Even if they do get them, what missile technology would they acquire with them? Just thinking aloud, can the Su-24 carry cruise missiles? I can think of how they could attempt to take the islands if we were off guard. I'm doubtful they'd try it on again but best to keep vigilant... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HP42 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The more I look at this story around the web the more it appears to be complete and utter nonsense without any foundation. No harm in 'reviewing security' anyway though... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 It was an equivalent of an April fools joke! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HP42 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) It was an equivalent of an April fools joke! I think that's almost certainly the case. It simply doesn't stack up. But could many a true word be said in jest? However, it does raise the question of what the next step is for Argentina. Had the Grippen really been available to them I wouldn't be surprised if they went for it. Perhaps Brazil could sell in time via a third party? Kirtchner is belligerent enough to square up politically, would she do it militarily if the chance arose? I guess the only thing stopping them acquiring new hardware are the current dire financial conditions, the country is 'broke'. Edited January 8, 2015 by HP42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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