J-35F/J Draken // Hasegawa // 1:48

[Flyingdutchman]

I very much like your Draken. The green and blue are great also the weathering is looking realistic. Some small changes as Jens mentioned but minor.

Cheers Evert

[Bjorn]

I have pictures of the intakes somewhere , I will check it out today.

[somnas]

Apart from what has already been mentioned this is looking great, the camo looks superb!

[Jens]

Thank you.

Any ideas how to paint it to look this way?

I think I might have used a SAC green with a dark brownish colour (RLM81?) in the middle. Unfortunately I didn't note it in my WIP thread here: http://www.danskemodelbyggere.dk/forum/index.php?topic=3610.0

Jens

[Solo]

Thank you Jens, but I think it is too difficult to corret those intakes now.

I will think about it, but first I need to find those SAC green in Gunze colour.

Ok, I corrected leading edges, hope everything is fine now.

Edited December 14, 2014 by Solo

[somnas]

That's some quick touch up-work, great job!

I would leave the intakes and make them right on next build if you're not comfortable fixing them now. Wouldn't be fun with a set back at this late stage.

/Erik

[Bjorn]

Here are a number of pictures of the intakes. They are made off a kind of olive green glass-fibre, and painted light grey. As you can see, the glass-fibre is visible, and the grey fades in many different shades.

[Solo]

Thanks a lot Bjorn, excellent pictures.

But I am affraid it would be difficult to reproduce the structure of the surface.

I have another request: have you go any good pictures of pylons for the missiles?

I would be grateful for it.

[Solo]

I got such pictures, very valuable for me because with the missiles on the pylons.
BTW: someone got the idea why there are russian writings on the Sidewinder?

[Matt_L]

Fantastic, one day I'll have a go at this kit, inspiring work you're doing on a beautiful aircraft.

Matt

[Mark]

The Russian writing, translated to English reads:

"© United States of America, 1952. All Rights Reserved. If you, the United Soviet Socialist Republic, replicate, duplicate, mimic or copy any part of this air to air missile, you will be prosecuted under the Copyright Act of 1909. Get your hands of our stuff and invent your own, you thieving commie baskets."

Or something like that.

But seriously, this is fantastic modelling!

[Bjorn]

I got such pictures, very valuable for me because with the missiles on the pylons.

BTW: someone got the idea why there are russian writings on the Sidewinder?

Yes, this is a Finnish Draken (a modified 35S), and these are not Sidewinders, but the Russian copy K-13 ("Atoll) which Finland also used for their MiG-21. But the pylons are the same as on the Swedish Drakens (their stencils are actually in Swedish), the rear one used on all versions and the front one on J 35J (and 35S).

Here is a picture of the aircraft:

Edited December 16, 2014 by Bjorn

[Solo]

Gentlemen, I need your advice.

From which Eduard's Sidewinders is easiest to make Rb 24J missiles?

[harvy5]

... and the R-3S missiles will be perfec!

[Solo]

Ok, and what about paintings?

[Bjorn]

Well, I am not that much into missiles, so someone else can surely give you a better answer. From what I know, they were painted like this:

Like this:

Normally, sharp missiles were all white and blind ones green, which should mean that these are blind. However, I can't remember all-white Rb 24J (the old ones, Rb 24 were all white when sharp and white/green when blind, see above).

[Solo]

Ok, so I believe that I can use two Sidewinders: Rb 24 (this is AIM-9B Sidewinder), which was used on Draken F, and Rb 24J (AIM-9J/P Sidewinder) which was used on Draken J.

Following that I shoul use Rb 24J, but it is really difficult to find AIM-9P (or J) Sidewinder in 1:48, so I think I can use this older version of this missile - AIM-9B.

How do you think?

[TonkaGR.1]

Well, I am not that much into missiles, so someone else can surely give you a better answer. From what I know, they were painted like this:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/everystockphoto/fspid30/12/23/42

Like this:

http://www.aviamarket.org/gallery

Normally, sharp missiles were all white and blind ones green, which should mean that these are blind. However, I can't remember all-white Rb 24J (the old ones, Rb 24 were all white when sharp and white/green when blind, see above).

I might be wrong, but IIRC, swedes had missile painting schema "the other way around", meaning, green where sharp and white were blind... I'll check my references again.

[Bjorn]

I might be wrong, but IIRC, swedes had missile painting schema "the other way around", meaning, green where sharp and white were blind... I'll check my references again.

No, green were blind, white sharp. Sometimes the blind ones also were marked with the text "Blind" (the word is the same in Swedish).

However, I did some more research on this, and here is a sharp Rb 24J:

Ok, so I believe that I can use two Sidewinders: Rb 24 (this is AIM-9B Sidewinder), which was used on Draken F, and Rb 24J (AIM-9J/P Sidewinder) which was used on Draken J.

Following that I shoul use Rb 24J, but it is really difficult to find AIM-9P (or J) Sidewinder in 1:48, so I think I can use this older version of this missile - AIM-9B.

How do you think?

Yes, they were used on J 35F, and definitely before 1977. So if you want to build an early one, note that Drakens had other FARA (Danger) and "Hugg här" (Cut here) stencils before 1978. But I will check on a Swedish forum if they were used also after 1977.

Edited December 19, 2014 by Bjorn

[flarpen]

Hi
I have Rb 24J / AIM-9J/P on my J 35J, and I think I got them from a hasegawa weapon set.

Edit: Hasegawa weapon set C has them.

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/48364-aircraft-weapons-set-c/

/Johan

Edited December 19, 2014 by flarpen

[Bjorn]

Hi again!

According to my IPMS Sweden friends, Rb 28B were used on 35F until it was retired. So no problems for you! :-)

Edited December 19, 2014 by Bjorn

[Solo]

Great, thanks a lot Bjorn.

So I will probably use AIM-9B from Eduard, but also I got those Weapon Se C.

But Eduard's is just better, I believe.

[Solo]

Ok, so I will try to summarize:

There were three kinds of A/A missiles for Draken:

- Rb 24 Sidewinder - it is Swedish version of American missile AIM-9 Sidewinder

- Rb 27 - Swedish version of American AIM-26 Falcon

- Rb 28 - Swedish version of American AIM-4 Falcon.

Rb 24 - there were two versions:

1. Rb 24B - Swedish version of AIM-9B Sidewinder

2. Rb 24J - Swedish version of AIM-9J/P Sidewinder

The first one was for Drakens A/B/D and F.

The second one was for Drakens D/F and J.

According to Bjorn, Rb 24B was used on Draken J-35F, but what about J-35J?

I am not sure if I can use those missiles for my version of jet.

Ok, what is next...

Rb 27 - there was only one Swedish version, but two version of American's: A with nuclear warhead and B with conventional warhead.

The Swedish was of course conventional.

Rb 28 - there was only one Swedish version, and this was version of American AIM-4C (or D, I am not sure) Falcon.

C or D it is not a problem, because both looks very similar.

Ok, that is all.

The only queastion is: may I use Rb 24B missile for my J-35J Draken?

[Chris W. Balmer]

Looking great so far

Love these birds

[Bjorn]

The answer is no, as far as I have found out, J 35J only carried Rb 24J. But I can check once again.