feoffee2 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Is there a conversion possible such as the airfix 747 to make an 747 SP This is due to the cost of the welsh kit as I am nervous I would ruin it Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain.. ipms north somerset Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Ahh me to I really wish revell /....would do this as a kit..... its been on my shopping list as long as i can remember 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feoffee2 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 I totally agree Ahh me to I really wish revell /....would do this as a kit..... its been on my shopping list as long as i can remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I'm sure this has been "theaded" before. It isn't straight forward,I know that much. The rear fuse needs cutting but not like a "normal shortening". The wing joint,falsework,(inbd flap? not sure) is diffferent,fin of course. Best of luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feoffee2 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) I'm sure this has been "theaded" before. It isn't straight forward,I know that much. The rear fuse needs cutting but not like a "normal shortening". The wing joint,falsework,(inbd flap? not sure) is diffferent,fin of course. Best of luck!Thanks I think there was an article in fsm 1994 just gotta find this magThanks Edited July 19, 2014 by feoffee2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomprobert Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 If you are going to convert a 'standard' 747 to the SP, it's easier to use a -400 fuselage as the upper deck stretches back to correct point above the wing as on the SP. However, you'd need to do some serious modifications to the wing and engines, and it may be better to source a Revell -200 and use the 'classic' wing root section, wings and engines, especially if you can source the earlier release with the PW power plants (the SP was only ever powered by PW or RR engines, not the GE power plant.) This thread on ARC may be of interest: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=192178&st=0 However, by the time you've sourced the standard 747 kit, perhaps engines and then decals, the Welsh kit may not only be equivalent in price, but when you consider the work needed to convert a standard 747 to a SP the Welsh kit really the simpler option and nowhere as difficult as many perceive. Correct resin engines and white metal landing gear make life much easier, too! Vacforms really are not hard - I built the Welsh kit for the Airliner Group Build a year or so ago and it fell together: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234926324-boeing-747sp-finished/?hl=747sp Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feoffee2 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 If you are going to convert a 'standard' 747 to the SP, it's easier to use a -400 fuselage as the upper deck stretches back to correct point above the wing as on the SP. However, you'd need to do some serious modifications to the wing and engines, and it may be better to source a Revell -200 and use the 'classic' wing root section, wings and engines, especially if you can source the earlier release with the PW power plants (the SP was only ever powered by PW or RR engines, not the GE power plant.) This thread on ARC may be of interest: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=192178&st=0 However, by the time you've sourced the standard 747 kit, perhaps engines and then decals, the Welsh kit may not only be equivalent in price, but when you consider the work needed to convert a standard 747 to a SP the Welsh kit really the simpler option and nowhere as difficult as many perceive. Correct resin engines and white metal landing gear make life much easier, too! Vacforms really are not hard - I built the Welsh kit for the Airliner Group Build a year or so ago and it fell together: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234926324-boeing-747sp-finished/?hl=747sp Tom Great thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritJet Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I would definitely go with the Welsh Models kit as the work involved converting a standard 747 will be very extensive. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pin Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 In brief - conversion is far from easy I've seen one attempt (thread in Russian, but the pics are self-describing): http://airliner-models.org/forum/topic/586-boeing-747-jumbo-jet/page__hl__jumbo__fromsearch__1 I would rather recommend Welsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feoffee2 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 I would definitely go with the Welsh Models kit as the work involved converting a standard 747 will be very extensive. Steve Thanks In brief - conversion is far from easyI've seen one attempt (thread in Russian, but the pics are self-describing):http://airliner-models.org/forum/topic/586-boeing-747-jumbo-jet/page__hl__jumbo__fromsearch__1I would rather recommend Welsh Thanks for the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Mel Bromley (S and M Models) has a resin SP fuselage conversion that I've seen at the shows. It is solid and weighs a ton and would probably be regarded as an offensive weapon if you got stopped by the Feds! There was an article in SAM many moons ago too converting a 200 to a Braniff SP. Cheers Glen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feoffee2 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 I will have a look for them thanks Mel Bromley (S and M Models) has a resin SP fuselage conversion that I've seen at the shows. It is solid and weighs a ton and would probably be regarded as an offensive weapon if you got stopped by the Feds! There was an article in SAM many moons ago too converting a 200 to a Braniff SP. Cheers Glen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Get the Welsh Models kit. The conversion is one of the more complex and difficult you could come up with. It's a long way from just shortening a 747-100. The entire wing/body fairing is completely different, and you end up scratch building major parts of the airplane. The Welsh kit is very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robvulcan Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I am surprised there is not a kit available for this classic Jumbo. I love the SP. I am not sure if I remember correctly but was the tail fin and rear of the fuselage unique to this aircraft and quite different. At least it is on my old herpa die cast version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feoffee2 Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 Get the Welsh Models kit. The conversion is one of the more complex and difficult you could come up with. It's a long way from just shortening a 747-100. The entire wing/body fairing is completely different, and you end up scratch building major parts of the airplane. The Welsh kit is very nice. I have the famous fsm article but it looks hard I shall have a think Thanks I am surprised there is not a kit available for this classic Jumbo. I love the SP. I am not sure if I remember correctly but was the tail fin and rear of the fuselage unique to this aircraft and quite different. At least it is on my old herpa die cast version. Thanks you are right about the tail and fuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Another vote for the WelshModels kit. When I built mine many years ago, I used the landing gear from a Revell B747-400 (including the fuselage gear bays) which fit perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feoffee2 Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 Another vote for the WelshModels kit. When I built mine many years ago, I used the landing gear from a Revell B747-400 (including the fuselage gear bays) which fit perfectly. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Alpha Yankee Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I was going to go down the conversion route using the FSM article but I now have the Welsh kit along with some Braz Rollers and Hawkeye Decals sheet to do an QANTAS SP in delivery colours. Perhaps when I clear the B748f, B742f and B773 off the bench I might think about starting the SP. I have seen a number of very nicely built welsh SP kits, Buzz's included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 The only real issue with the a Welsh kit is the aft part of the wing/body fairing where it goes up over the wing. For some reason Welsh made if look inflated, where it should be almost completely flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feoffee2 Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 I was going to go down the conversion route using the FSM article but I now have the Welsh kit along with some Braz Rollers and Hawkeye Decals sheet to do an QANTAS SP in delivery colours. Perhaps when I clear the B748f, B742f and B773 off the bench I might think about starting the SP. I have seen a number of very nicely built welsh SP kits, Buzz's included Great thanks The only real issue with the a Welsh kit is the aft part of the wing/body fairing where it goes up over the wing. For some reason Welsh made if look inflated, where it should be almost completely flat. Orite thanks if I get it I will look out for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelter Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Hi - I once converted a Hasegawa 1/200 ANA 747-100 down to a SP in a fictitious Brit Caledonian livery - it looked like Tyrion Lanister after I had finished with it - sadly I chucked it years ago when I got married but I can still remember the weeks and weeks of filling and sanding during the build. My dad was on the BA 747-400 fleet at the time and helped a little with the conversion proportions but the end result was not pretty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Something along this line? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feoffee2 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 Hi - I once converted a Hasegawa 1/200 ANA 747-100 down to a SP in a fictitious Brit Caledonian livery - it looked like Tyrion Lanister after I had finished with it - sadly I chucked it years ago when I got married but I can still remember the weeks and weeks of filling and sanding during the build. My dad was on the BA 747-400 fleet at the time and helped a little with the conversion proportions but the end result was not pretty Lol good story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stringbag Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Something along this line? g] Now that would have been a sight to see had it seen service with B.Cal Nice artwork too. Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelter Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Something along this line? ] That is a masterpiece - and with a handful of Roycey Rollers too - thanks for posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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