PhantomBigStu Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 At some point once I actually splurge out on the alleycat hurricane cinversion I want to do BoB hurri, got some decals and at the moment Nicolsons VC hurri is calling, the decals sheet quite handily included a guide as to which brand of propeller each hurri had, but I know they used the spitfire props and spinners as well, so did hurricane p3576 have a Hurricane rotol prop or a spitfire rotol prop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 P3576 was one of the third production batches of Hurricanes. Deliveries of this batch commenced on the 21st February 1940 and were completed by 20th July 1940 so fairly safe to assume that she carried the Spitfire type Rotol prop and spinner. Looking forward to your progress pics when you get started. Cheers, Tim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevSmar Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) Do anyone know if there is armouring on the side of the MkIV cockpit, below the windshield? These were posted of KX829 on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1831131756916608&set=a.1789687107727740.1073741829.100000594049406&type=3 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1831132873583163&set=a.1789687107727740.1073741829.100000594049406&type=3 (sorry, wasn’t able to have the image insert inline like last time...) Edited November 11, 2017 by StevSmar Lack of intelligence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Hi Steve in the old 1962 FK Mason book on the Hurricane there is a shot of a Mk.IV with the cowlings off an added sheets of armour bolted on, to go behind the cowl panels, but on the side of the engine only. (apparently not up on the net as yet) I suspect the visible rivets in the link under the windscreen are the usual one for attaching instrument inside? I can't see the point of an armoured upper cowl as the danger was from ground fire. Other may know more, maybe @tango98 if his archives.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevSmar Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Thanks Troy, I’ll have to dig up Masons 1962 book and have a look. I’ve seen armouring on the side of the engine, under the reserve fuel tank (?) and also in front of the instrument panel. On the side of the front cockpit would seem a locical next step? Amazing the poor Hurricane would fly with all that extra metal! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevSmar Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 @Troy Smith, here’s a photo with a nice view of the doghouse, it’s one continuous piece uninterrupted by a seam like KX829 has (this is really annoying I can’t add photos inline...) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1831131193583331&set=a.1789687107727740.1073741829.100000594049406&type=3 @Tango88, would you know anything about MkIV armour around the windshield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, StevSmar said: here’s a photo with a nice view of the doghouse, it’s one continuous piece uninterrupted by a seam like KX829 has (this is really annoying I can’t add photos inline...) HI Steve I'm not on Faccebook, some pages load, this doesn't But, if you right click an image it should say "copy image location/url/address" if you do that and paste in here itshould show up,or you can try dragging the image in. 23 hours ago, StevSmar said: I’ll have to dig up Masons 1962 book and have a look. page 88 of the 1962 book, it's also in the 1990 book,slightly bigger. it shows side armour on engine, supercharger and under reserve tank. on the subject of ground attack Hurricanes, Reminds me, any thoughts on the bulge behind the spinnner on Mk.V KX405, and extra bulges on the wing of the Mk.V prototypes? you were not posting in this, so you might find this worth a read cheers T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevSmar Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Hi @Troy Smith, that is an interesting picture of KX405 in the thread you posted the link to above. Unfortunately I’ve no information on what the two prominent bulges (behind the spinner, rear of starboard wing root) are. KX829 also has a few small bulges on the underside of the center section which I have no idea what they’re for. The MkIV is my favourite Hurricane, but there’s a real lack of information on them. I’ve been looking at photos of MkIID’s and MkIV’s and most appear to have what looks like armour on the port side of the cockpit doghouse below the windshield. It’s hard to tell if this is also present on the starboard side since the edge of the emergency exit panel casts a “shadow” there. Hopefully one day some close up photos of KX829 at the Birmingham Science Museum might shed some light on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 There is also the Mk.IV in the Belgrade Museum, which if memory serves me right is the only other Mk.IV extant. https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/376/18609396613_d4f7672685_b.jpg Trevor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 3 hours ago, StevSmar said: Hi @Troy Smith, that is an interesting picture of KX405 in the thread you posted the link to above. Unfortunately I’ve no information on what the two prominent bulges (behind the spinner, rear of starboard wing root) are. KX829 also has a few small bulges on the underside of the center section which I have no idea what they’re for. The MkIV is my favourite Hurricane, but there’s a real lack of information on them. I’ve been looking at photos of MkIID’s and MkIV’s and most appear to have what looks like armour on the port side of the cockpit doghouse below the windshield. It’s hard to tell if this is also present on the starboard side since the edge of the emergency exit panel casts a “shadow” there. Hopefully one day some close up photos of KX829 at the Birmingham Science Museum might shed some light on this. Have you seen these? Doesn't look like the panels you described are armor plate, but there is no way of knowing if this museum Mk IV is original or not. It also doesn't appear to have the armored radiator housing normally fitted to Mk IV's and the three Mk V's Hope these photos will be helpful. Mike https://www.flickr.com/photos/nilsmosberg/22859301817 https://www.flickr.com/photos/nilsmosberg/22885558089/in/photostream/ https://hiveminer.com/Tags/aeronautical,preserved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Just one word of warning: not all Sea Hurricanes had the oil spill ring, so check which one you are modelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Wandering the interwebby for pictures of Meteors in Luqa, I found this..... Obviously? not Malta! Early production Hurricane from the first production batch with Sky spinner and tail band, no armoured windscreen and original pole type aerial. Not sure if it’s a rag wing though. Obviously taken with orthochromatic film (look at the ‘black’ ring on the roundel and I’m guessing allocated to a second line unit given the code ‘21’. I don’t know enough about ortho film to guess, but ‘could’ this be in the Temperate Land Scheme? If it’s also with the original wing it would make an interesting offbeat scheme for the 1/72 Airfix kit. Any thoughts? Trevor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, Max Headroom said: but ‘could’ this be in the Temperate Land Scheme? I day fighter scheme, note yellow leading edge stripe. in a rush. neat pic Trevor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I wouldn't expect Temperate Land to look so contrasting on ortho film - and this does look very much like ortho. Note the dark leading edge implying yellow. The light appearance of the second colour (Dark Green is around the cockpit area) does suggest some blue tint and so this appears to be a very early Mk.I in Day Fighter colours and markings but still with the earlier roundels. So late 1941/early 1942. After time with 79, 253 and 312 Sqs, L1701 served with 55 OTU, then 9 FTS and 9 PAFU, before becoming 3586M on 2.3.43. 55 OTU did have both number and letter codes, so I suggest this may be 9 FTS but I don't know how to tell. A metal wing would seem to be more likely at this stage - perhaps someone can tell from the landing light position but I can't. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Thanks @Troy Smith and @Graham Boak. I hadn’t noticed the yellow leading edge. I was too busy squinting to see where the wing leading edge light was in relation to the guns (which I can’t see anyway!) Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Those wheel covers.... Are they the stick-out "step" type that were very early? I thought they were only on prototype airframes, but those in the picture ....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanroon Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Hi Rob Lyttle, the kinked lower edge of the u/c door precludes hingeing. Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Lyttle Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, Vanroon said: precludes hingeing. OK I can see what's going on- it's a shadow effect on the ground behind the wheel that had me going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevSmar Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 On 11/12/2017 at 10:30 AM, 72modeler said: Have you seen these? Doesn't look like the panels you described are armor plate, but there is no way of knowing if this museum Mk IV is original or not. It also doesn't appear to have the armored radiator housing normally fitted to Mk IV's and the three Mk V's Hope these photos will be helpful. Mike https://www.flickr.com/photos/nilsmosberg/22859301817 https://www.flickr.com/photos/nilsmosberg/22885558089/in/photostream/ https://hiveminer.com/Tags/aeronautical,preserved 2 No I hadn't seen these, thanks for posting the links 72modeler. They're very nice photos, the highest resolution I've seen. Hurricane LD975 certainly has the correct MkIV radiator. If you zoom in on the radiator at the link below, you can see the "tabs" on the side of the radiator where the armour was attached as needed. https://flic.kr/p/BqQEkT I'm starting to think that the MkIV windscreen also had armour on the sides, as well as armour below the sides of the windshield. (I'm hoping to post photos once I work out how to do third party hosting again...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango98 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Steve, Will PM you early in the week re: Hurricane and armour. Cheers Dave PS If you haven't heard from me by Tuesday p.m. drop me a reminder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevSmar Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) To me, this looks like armour below the side of the windshield. (What a pain in the bum it's been to work out how to upload images again...) Edited November 19, 2017 by StevSmar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 KX877 http://media.iwm.org.uk/ciim5/558/732/large_000000.jpg Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevSmar Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 19 minutes ago, Max Headroom said: KX877 Trevor Thanks Trevor, that is a nice photo showing nice radiator detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevSmar Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 A little more detail on the MkIV armour: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Where is that example? I thought there were only two left, the one in Belgrade and one in Birmingham. Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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