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wellsprop

How to make water?

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Hi all,

I'm making a diorama of a Supermarine Walrus picking up a downed airman from the English Channel.

I have practiced making water before but I cant get the wave shape right. I use white grout (whatever it is) to make the waves. I need advice on how to get the correct wave shape.... Heres my reference pictures

HallidayInset1_zpstjadmtva.jpeg

supermarine-walrus-ship_zpso7e6yn7q.jpeg

Thanks,

Ben.

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Ben

cant help on technique here but one thing I might add is that from what I have read regarding flying boat/sea plane operations they can only alight on water for a pick up where its a relatively gentle sea state and not too rough so it would be quite proper for your diorama to have a relatively calm water surface whereas in a ship scene you can have water everywhere if you like!

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It's worth viewing Smudge's post. He used Vallejo acrylic sea effects but you can also use Acrylic structure gel which comes in thin medium and thick, available in art shops etc. The stuff I use is Winsor and Newton Galeria Structure Gel. I'm not sure of the Vallejo price but you get a lot in Galeria and it doesn't go off, I've got a pot about 4 years old and it's still useable.

More about Galeria here

Neil

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There were quite a few occasions when Shagbats landed in quite rough conditions to pick up downed airmen and ended up taxiing all the way back to port as conditions were too rough to take off again.

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Have a look at this Ben, it is the way I try and do it, may give you some idea's..............Smudge

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234942218-my-way-of-making-a-sea-base/

Ah great stuff smudge :)

Thanks for the comments guys, definetly going for a calm water scene. I will however be sticking with tile grout due to cost. The tip about using a stipple brush should do the trick for the water :P

Now I need to get hold of a Walrus and build it ;)

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beat me to it

however I will drink to your swiftness Sir!....hic!

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Hiya!

I would try using PVA Glue - it should be cheaper than the Tile Grout, and the advantage is that it drys clear, so you just paint the base board in a greeny colour. When it's nearly dry, use something like a plastic ruler to sculpt some waves into it.

It will wash off / thin with water, doesn't heat up as it dries, doesn't stink your house out, and you can use it for many other modelling / DIY tasks.

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so PVA? In Hobbycraft they have sizable bottles of " School PVA" I think that's what it's called....does that work , do you know?

If so given the size of the bottles it would be pretty cheap for loads of floaties

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> How to make water?

Drink beer!

I am still waiting one someone saying take two parts hydrogen and add one part oxygen - oh wait - I just did !!

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Hmm I'm thinking of mixing in some PVA to the grout to give it a better structure.

I'm going to practice making a waterscape this evening... lets see how I get on

Ben

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PVA shrinks by at least 70%. Not what you want in a sculpting material.

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Using grout I have managed to make quite a nice seascape. My painting isnt too great however!

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I'm still sticking to what I know...DAS Pronto and a deft brush. I'm just senile...but I do love all the various techniques I've seen here, especially Smudge's and Forlornhope's efforts with his HMVS Cerberus. Take a look at Callum's blinder if you can.

Maybe I shouldn't link directly...but here you go. Enjoy!

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234957296-the-wreck-of-hmvs-cerberus/

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I'll get some pics up on Monday hopefully...

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:D You should have asked this on the Naval bit of the forum! Here's a compendium of water making techniques from over on Model Warships.

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37923

A good cheap way to do smooth water is a sheet of rough water colour paper... I've used plasticine (yes it's permanent - and cheap) Das-'orrible stuff, milliput everything except silicone and acrylic gel.

Have fun with it.

F

P,S. lately I've carved a couple of bases out of Lime. Time consuming but fun.

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I think I've done an OK job of it :)

IMG_7473_zpsa66e868f.jpg

IMG_7474_zpsfa0cf4e5.jpg

Simply used grout/pva mixture, painted it then covered it in varnish. The pics really dont do it justice :/

Ben

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Looks good...deep too!

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