wellsprop Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 (edited) Hi all, I'm making a diorama of a Supermarine Walrus picking up a downed airman from the English Channel. I have practiced making water before but I cant get the wave shape right. I use white grout (whatever it is) to make the waves. I need advice on how to get the correct wave shape.... Heres my reference pictures Thanks, Ben. Edited April 1, 2014 by wellsprop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cameraman Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Hi Ben, sorry I can't help you with any techniques but I'm more than looking forward to reading any replies and following your progress. Regards Reggie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordfish fairey Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Have a look at this Ben, it is the way I try and do it, may give you some idea's..............Smudge http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234942218-my-way-of-making-a-sea-base/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Ben cant help on technique here but one thing I might add is that from what I have read regarding flying boat/sea plane operations they can only alight on water for a pick up where its a relatively gentle sea state and not too rough so it would be quite proper for your diorama to have a relatively calm water surface whereas in a ship scene you can have water everywhere if you like! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foghorn Leghorn Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 It's worth viewing Smudge's post. He used Vallejo acrylic sea effects but you can also use Acrylic structure gel which comes in thin medium and thick, available in art shops etc. The stuff I use is Winsor and Newton Galeria Structure Gel. I'm not sure of the Vallejo price but you get a lot in Galeria and it doesn't go off, I've got a pot about 4 years old and it's still useable. More about Galeria here Neil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Swindell Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 There were quite a few occasions when Shagbats landed in quite rough conditions to pick up downed airmen and ended up taxiing all the way back to port as conditions were too rough to take off again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted April 1, 2014 Author Share Posted April 1, 2014 Have a look at this Ben, it is the way I try and do it, may give you some idea's..............Smudge http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234942218-my-way-of-making-a-sea-base/ Ah great stuff smudge Thanks for the comments guys, definetly going for a calm water scene. I will however be sticking with tile grout due to cost. The tip about using a stipple brush should do the trick for the water Now I need to get hold of a Walrus and build it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mach Turtle Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 > How to make water? Drink beer! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnerboy Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 beat me to it however I will drink to your swiftness Sir!....hic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormfrontmodels Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Hiya! I would try using PVA Glue - it should be cheaper than the Tile Grout, and the advantage is that it drys clear, so you just paint the base board in a greeny colour. When it's nearly dry, use something like a plastic ruler to sculpt some waves into it. It will wash off / thin with water, doesn't heat up as it dries, doesn't stink your house out, and you can use it for many other modelling / DIY tasks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnerboy Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 so PVA? In Hobbycraft they have sizable bottles of " School PVA" I think that's what it's called....does that work , do you know? If so given the size of the bottles it would be pretty cheap for loads of floaties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 > How to make water? Drink beer! I am still waiting one someone saying take two parts hydrogen and add one part oxygen - oh wait - I just did !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted April 1, 2014 Author Share Posted April 1, 2014 Hmm I'm thinking of mixing in some PVA to the grout to give it a better structure. I'm going to practice making a waterscape this evening... lets see how I get on Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotel Papa Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 PVA shrinks by at least 70%. Not what you want in a sculpting material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted April 3, 2014 Author Share Posted April 3, 2014 Using grout I have managed to make quite a nice seascape. My painting isnt too great however! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotel Papa Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 (edited) Pics, or it didn't happen! Edited April 3, 2014 by Hotel Papa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby57 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 (edited) I'm still sticking to what I know...DAS Pronto and a deft brush. I'm just senile...but I do love all the various techniques I've seen here, especially Smudge's and Forlornhope's efforts with his HMVS Cerberus. Take a look at Callum's blinder if you can. Maybe I shouldn't link directly...but here you go. Enjoy! http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234957296-the-wreck-of-hmvs-cerberus/ Edited April 3, 2014 by Nobby57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 I'll get some pics up on Monday hopefully... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Vor!!! Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 A few pints of John Smith's works wonders next morning..................... Oh sorry read it wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seadog Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 You should have asked this on the Naval bit of the forum! Here's a compendium of water making techniques from over on Model Warships. http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37923 A good cheap way to do smooth water is a sheet of rough water colour paper... I've used plasticine (yes it's permanent - and cheap) Das-'orrible stuff, milliput everything except silicone and acrylic gel. Have fun with it. F P,S. lately I've carved a couple of bases out of Lime. Time consuming but fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted April 17, 2014 Author Share Posted April 17, 2014 I think I've done an OK job of it Simply used grout/pva mixture, painted it then covered it in varnish. The pics really dont do it justice :/ Ben 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seadog Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Looks good...deep too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordfish fairey Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Works well Ben..............Great work..................Smudge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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