Homebee Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) After the F-104G, Italeri is to release a 1/32nd Lockheed F-104A/C Starfighter - ref.2504 Source Primeportal: http://www.primeportal.net/models/thomas_voigt8/italeri/ V.P. Edited June 12, 2020 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerbannog Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 So their G/S seems to be a success despite of the issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted April 18, 2014 Author Share Posted April 18, 2014 The box art Source: https://www.facebook.com/ItaleriModelKit#!/ItaleriModelKit/photos/a.455661954506430.102186.454765391262753/650407748365182/?type=1&theater V.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin ritchie Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Nice box art , and that MIGHT persuade me to buy the 104, after he problems with the original release , I don't expect anything much to be be fixed on this release , but the ability to build a Vietnam era 104, without re-scribing is appealing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) So their G/S seems to be a success despite of the issues. Hard to tell if it's a success, from what I've heard they are not selling as fast as they hoped, but here the price is likely to be more of a problem than any of the issues. Personally I've seen the plastic and have passed, at least for the moment. It really looks rough, panel lines are inconsistent across the kit with some that start in a way and end in another, some details that would have looked adequate on a kit 20 year ago and a bit too many errors in the decal sheet. The overall look IMHO is of a semi-finished product rushed into production and considering it's been in development for years (maybe longer than the real aircraft) I'd have expected something better. Especially at almost € 100, had it been in the € 50-60 range a few things would have been more acceptable. The shape is good though, and this for me is a good point. I might buy one when and if the price goes down (or someone sells me one half price), but if I have to rescribe panel lines, improve details and then have to get aftermarket decals, I might just buy the old Hasegawa that can be found easily at model show for € 20 or so.. Edited April 18, 2014 by Giorgio N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onosendai Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I'm really curious to see what they did with the BL75 pylons (wrong on the kit) and the typical Ecm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albeback52 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I'm not concerned with the alleged "issues" with the original kit. I'd be happy to buy & build the G/S version AND this one. Price however is the deciding factor. If they knock the price down to the £35 - £45 mark then I'll buy but, otherwise I'm afraid the kit is unaffordable! Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony.t Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Hard to tell if it's a success, from what I've heard they are not selling as fast as they hoped, but here the price is likely to be more of a problem than any of the issues. Personally I've seen the plastic and have passed, at least for the moment. It really looks rough, panel lines are inconsistent across the kit with some that start in a way and end in another, some details that would have looked adequate on a kit 20 year ago and a bit too many errors in the decal sheet. The overall look IMHO is of a semi-finished product rushed into production and considering it's been in development for years (maybe longer than the real aircraft) I'd have expected something better. Especially at almost € 100, had it been in the € 50-60 range a few things would have been more acceptable. The shape is good though, and this for me is a good point. I might buy one when and if the price goes down (or someone sells me one half price), but if I have to rescribe panel lines, improve details and then have to get aftermarket decals, I might just buy the old Hasegawa that can be found easily at model show for € 20 or so.. D'accord, though my philosophy is slightly different... Waiting to see what AFV do with theirs, its price-point and then assess how much I still want to build the Greek Mount Olympus zipper. There are just so many good 1/32 scale kits I would like to build before I die, such that I no longer have the time or patience for second best. Price, given the 40 hours of pleasure, achievement and turning the air blue at difficult times with each project is considerably cheaper than an equivalent amount of time in the pub. I'd rather pay £100-140 for Tamiya quality and have a fun build. The more pricey the kit, the more care taken in producing a great end result, usually. That does not mean putting a £100 price tag on a sow's ear. Not sure where to position the Italeri Starfighter in terms of quality, but £45 would be a fairer price, given what Revell Germany can do. Their beautiful Hawker Hunter is only £25, the excellent Hawk T.1 about £22, and if they tackle the beloved 1/32 Draken I'd bet it would sell for £35-45. Putting a soppy bit of etch in the box doesn't justify a £90 price tag. Tony 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted May 18, 2014 Author Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Released Source: https://www.italeri.com/prodotto/2356 https://www.facebook.com/ItaleriModelKit/posts/665212496884707 V.P. Edited June 12, 2020 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 D'accord, though my philosophy is slightly different... Waiting to see what AFV do with theirs, its price-point and then assess how much I still want to build the Greek Mount Olympus zipper. There are just so many good 1/32 scale kits I would like to build before I die, such that I no longer have the time or patience for second best. Price, given the 40 hours of pleasure, achievement and turning the air blue at difficult times with each project is considerably cheaper than an equivalent amount of time in the pub. I'd rather pay £100-140 for Tamiya quality and have a fun build. The more pricey the kit, the more care taken in producing a great end result, usually. That does not mean putting a £100 price tag on a sow's ear. Not sure where to position the Italeri Starfighter in terms of quality, but £45 would be a fairer price, given what Revell Germany can do. Their beautiful Hawker Hunter is only £25, the excellent Hawk T.1 about £22, and if they tackle the beloved 1/32 Draken I'd bet it would sell for £35-45. Putting a soppy bit of etch in the box doesn't justify a £90 price tag. Tony Tony, had initialy missed your reply, anyway I perfectly understand your point and agree. the Italeri kit really is a second or even third best when compared to what others have done, sometime at a lower price. And speaking of this new variant of the 104, looks like they have all the USAF and U.S. AIR FORCE titles in black... wrong, these should be in blue FS 15044 ! Again Italeri seems to have missed something that would have only required a bit of internet searching to get right. I know, some will reply that this is what aftermarket sheets are for, but for €100 I'd like to have the markings right.. and we're not talking a small nose art that needs the interpretation of an old B/W photo but a detail that is clearly stated in Technical Orders that can be downloaded for free from the web... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onosendai Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 It would seem that the next Tamiya rebox (with resin pilot) in Japan will cost half the European street price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerbannog Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 The Tamiya Hurricane including figures is also about 40% cheaper in Japan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagemusha Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Tony, had initialy missed your reply, anyway I perfectly understand your point and agree. the Italeri kit really is a second or even third best when compared to what others have done, sometime at a lower price. And speaking of this new variant of the 104, looks like they have all the USAF and U.S. AIR FORCE titles in black... wrong, these should be in blue FS 15044 ! Again Italeri seems to have missed something that would have only required a bit of internet searching to get right. I know, some will reply that this is what aftermarket sheets are for, but for €100 I'd like to have the markings right.. and we're not talking a small nose art that needs the interpretation of an old B/W photo but a detail that is clearly stated in Technical Orders that can be downloaded for free from the web... They got some details in the G/S release wrong - like the size of the Italian roundels, you really couldn't make it up! Zotz will be releasing a sheet of USAF Vietnam C's, all camouflaged. Would be good if Victory Productions upscaled their 1/48 sheet. http://decals.kitreview.com/decals/vpd48005reviewdwa_1.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagemusha Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 It would seem that the next Tamiya rebox (with resin pilot) in Japan will cost half the European street price. £46 from HLJ http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM25176/Air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albeback52 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 £46 from HLJ http://www.hlj.com/product/TAM25176/Air Much more reasonable (even though I'd probably bin the pilot!!) Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted May 25, 2014 Author Share Posted May 25, 2014 (edited) The test shot. Source: https://www.facebook.com/ItaleriModelKit/posts/669974699741820 We would like to show you the final assembly tests of our F-104 A/C 1/32 scale model kit (2504). The new scale mode will be available very soon. (6 photos) V.P. Edited May 25, 2014 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 It would seem that the next Tamiya rebox (with resin pilot) in Japan will cost half the European street price. Do you know the release schedule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Victory Models (http://www.victorymodels.com/) is to release dedicated decals sheets Source: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=276746&view=findpost&p=2628565 V.P. Edited June 12, 2020 by Homebee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seadog Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Wow. Some really amazing colour schemes there. No 104gs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Because the USAF didn't fly the F-104G. The only G's that had American markings were the Luftwaffe aircraft based at Luke AFB, Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seadog Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 NASA did, though. Called the 104N, an unarmed version built for NASA. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/Features/F-104G_final_flight.html#.U7qfY7GmXjC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 NASA also later received a Fokker built G (actually originally an RF-104G) that became N826NA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seadog Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Get 'em where you can find 'em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mekon Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 The NASA ship on the sheet 013, lost in the Valkyrie crash, was a F-104N ie a G wasn't it? Cheers, Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seadog Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Good question. Can't find it - googling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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