Maritime Patrol including Coastal Command GB Chat

[Corsairfoxfouruncle]

Hello @At Sea ... The dates for this build are December 1st this year thru march of 2019. Heres a link for all the group build dates. 

 

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235030176-2018-gb-and-stgb-calendar/

 

Edited March 30, 2018 by Corsairfoxfouruncle

[At Sea]

Thanks. 

[Robert Stuart]

@At Sea, your Shackleton will be an ideal fit for this build.

[JOCKNEY]

Just a thought, do we have a Group Build signature for this GB yet ?

[Robert Stuart]

14 minutes ago, JOCKNEY said:

Just a thought, do we have a Group Build signature for this GB yet ?

Not yet, would you like to make one?

[JOCKNEY]

34 minutes ago, Robert Stuart said:

Not yet, would you like to make one?

Hi Robert

I wouldn't know where to start !

However, I did find this picture for the recent Flying Boats and Float Planes GB which hopefully will get someone's creative juices flowing 

 

cheers Pat

[Robert Stuart]

19 minutes ago, JOCKNEY said:

Hi Robert

I wouldn't know where to start !

However, I did find this picture for the recent Flying Boats and Float Planes GB which hopefully will get someone's creative juices flowing 

{image snipped}

cheers Pat

That's an attractive image Pat.

 

If somebody else wants to make a banner, they are very welcome.  If nothing appears by July August, I might try to come up with something ...

[Col.]

13 hours ago, JOCKNEY said:

Hi Robert

I wouldn't know where to start !

However, I did find this picture for the recent Flying Boats and Float Planes GB which hopefully will get someone's creative juices flowing 

 

cheers Pat

That's a stunning image Pat. Do you happen to know the artist's name?

[JOCKNEY]

3 minutes ago, Col. said:

That's a stunning image Pat. Do you happen to know the artist's name?

Hi Col

I will try and find it, he said it didn't take him very long as I recall !

Cheers Pat

[Robert Stuart]

22 hours ago, Col. said:

That's a stunning image Pat. Do you happen to know the artist's name?

 

22 hours ago, JOCKNEY said:

Hi Col

I will try and find it, he said it didn't take him very long as I recall !

Cheers Pat

You can find more here: https://radojavor.deviantart.com/art/Low-tide-76660755

 

[JOCKNEY]

2 hours ago, Robert Stuart said:

 

You can find more here: https://radojavor.deviantart.com/art/Low-tide-76660755

 

Thanks Robert

Some of the other pictures are amazing, but being a Flying Boat fan, this is my favourite !

cheers Pat

[bianfuxia]

hey gang

I've read through most of this thread but I can't quite find the actual rules. 

 

Am I right that it can include ASW helicopters, not just fixed wing, and it doesn't have to be operated by Coastal Command?

 

If so I would like to do my RAN ASW Sea King, in the old white on grey scheme from when they were aboard HMAS Melbourne. I think that in those days they were primarily tasked for ASW.

 

I've already finished or more than a quarter started all my other suitable kits...

 

thanks 

[Robert Stuart]

13 hours ago, bianfuxia said:

hey gang

I've read through most of this thread but I can't quite find the actual rules. 

 

Am I right that it can include ASW helicopters, not just fixed wing, and it doesn't have to be operated by Coastal Command?

 

If so I would like to do my RAN ASW Sea King, in the old white on grey scheme from when they were aboard HMAS Melbourne. I think that in those days they were primarily tasked for ASW.

 

I've already finished or more than a quarter started all my other suitable kits...

 

thanks 

Nothing wrong with helicopters, but ship-bourne aircraft ... I'd need convincing.

 

I think HMAS Melbourne is/was an aircraft carrier? 

 

Your Sea King might be a better fit in the Carriers Ahoy GB - here: https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/forum/620-carriers-ahoy-gb/

That build is running now until 15th July.

[Romeo Alpha Yankee]

6 hours ago, Robert Stuart said:

Nothing wrong with helicopters, but ship-bourne aircraft ... I'd need convincing.

 

I think HMAS Melbourne is/was an aircraft carrier? 

 

Your Sea King might be a better fit in the Carriers Ahoy GB - here: https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/forum/620-carriers-ahoy-gb/

That build is running now until 15th July.

I tend to agree with Robert here, at the time the Sea Kings were used in the ASW role and not a patrol platform. If you had said a Grumman Tracker I would have said yes as they were used in the patrol role for a short time in Northern Australia when Melbourne was paid off.

[bianfuxia]

OK no worries, I couldn't find the exact rules in those 17 pages :)

 

I have a tracker, but it's more than 25% done. As is my P-3. And my Nimrod. And my P-8...haha. 

 

But in theory a helicopter is OK, as long as it (a) was land based not ordinarily ship based and (b) it patrolled maritime areas?

 

And "patrolled" means looking for enemy ships and submarines etc? Or everything that presently fits in the maritime patrol concept, like patrolling the maritime zone for warfare tasks, sovereignty patrol, fishing, EEZ protection, SAR, etc? 

 

Not trying to be annoying, just to see if any of my stash fits (I've got 5 different Sea Kings alone, you see!)

 

thanks a lot! 

Also I am already neck deep in the carriers build with two carriers....😧

[MarkSH]

Hello chaps,

I'd like to sign up for this with one of my two Supermarine Stranraers in 240 squadron markings please.

Cheers, M.

[Robert Stuart]

Hello @bianfuxia

Don't worry about asking, that helps clarify things

 

9 hours ago, bianfuxia said:

But in theory a helicopter is OK, as long as it (a) was land based not ordinarily ship based and (b) it patrolled maritime areas?

Yes

9 hours ago, bianfuxia said:

And "patrolled" means looking for enemy ships and submarines etc? Or everything that presently fits in the maritime patrol concept, like patrolling the maritime zone for warfare tasks, sovereignty patrol, fishing, EEZ protection, SAR, etc? 

If it presently fits in the maritime patrol concept.  For example, we've said yes to an aircraft of the Italian Guardia di Finanza ( https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234947190-maritime-patrol-including-coastal-command-gb/&page=13&tab=comments#comment-2894191 )

 

I hope this helps

 

 

 

@MarkSH yes to your 240 squadron Stranrears

 

 

 

[MarkSH]

41 minutes ago, Robert Stuart said:

 

@MarkSH yes to your 240 squadron Stranrears

 

Stranrears...... is that why it got the nickname of the Whistling Sh!@house?

[Robert Stuart]

Maybe, or I just can't spell

[Romeo Alpha Yankee]

On 1/25/2018 at 1:16 PM, Romeo Alpha Yankee said:

Not a problem David,

 

Considering the Maritime Patrol GB was first suggested back in September 2013 and then merged with the Coastal Command GB in Mid 2014, it has been a long time getting here.

 

No hard and fast rules were established at that point so as a rough guide entries can include any Maritime Patrol or Coastal Command aircraft for:

 

• Any time period (Coastal Command operated between 1936 - 1969)
• Any nationality
• Any scale
• No what-ifs
• Otherwise normal GB rules apply about started kits, etc

So what is the definition of Maritime Patrol?

 

A maritime patrol aircraft (MPA), also known as a patrol aircraft, maritime reconnaissance aircraft, or by the older American term patrol bomber, is a fixed-wing aircraft (we will allow Helos as well) designed to operate for long durations over water in maritime patrol roles — in particular anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-ship warfare (AShW), and search and rescue (SAR).

 

Dates: Sun 1 December 2018 - Sun 24 March 2019

 

So if you think an aircraft fits the bill and are unsure, then ask (as you have!)

 

15 hours ago, bianfuxia said:

OK no worries, I couldn't find the exact rules in those 17 pages

 

I have a tracker, but it's more than 25% done. As is my P-3. And my Nimrod. And my P-8...haha. 

 

But in theory a helicopter is OK, as long as it (a) was land based not ordinarily ship based and (b) it patrolled maritime areas?

 

And "patrolled" means looking for enemy ships and submarines etc? Or everything that presently fits in the maritime patrol concept, like patrolling the maritime zone for warfare tasks, sovereignty patrol, fishing, EEZ protection, SAR, etc? 

 

Not trying to be annoying, just to see if any of my stash fits (I've got 5 different Sea Kings alone, you see!)

 

thanks a lot! 

Also I am already neck deep in the carriers build with two carriers....😧

Back on Page 14, I posted a broad outline.

 

Yes, Helos are allowed but I think in the case of the RAN Sea King its role at the time deployed aboard HMAS Melbourne was not of patrol, it's ASW was more fleet defence. Later in life, they became a shore based utility helo. 

[modelling minion]

Another question I'm afraid.

Would the Ju-88's of V/KG40 be allowed in this as their role was to protect returning/departing U-Boats and to attack any Allied aircraft over the Bay of Biscay, a sort of mini Luftwaffe Coastal Command. They also operated Bf-110's and later became part of ZG-1 but carried out the same tasks from the same bases on the French Atlantic coast.

[Ettore]

Goodmorning everyone
I read these 17 pages of post and honestly it was hard, but that's also why I love this forum ........
Well, for the maritime patrol theme, I ask you if these are allowed:

- Westland Wessex HU 5 Falkland war
- FL 282 V-6 Kolibri end WWII
- Caproni  Ca 313/314
- Fiat Cr 25

The last two were used in Sicily as patrol on Mediterranean sea

 

Thanks

Ettore

Edited July 9, 2018 by Ettore

[Robert Stuart]

On 29/06/2018 at 09:29, modelling minion said:

Another question I'm afraid.

Would the Ju-88's of V/KG40 be allowed in this as their role was to protect returning/departing U-Boats and to attack any Allied aircraft over the Bay of Biscay, a sort of mini Luftwaffe Coastal Command. They also operated Bf-110's and later became part of ZG-1 but carried out the same tasks from the same bases on the French Atlantic coast.

Sorry for the slow reply, yes to Ju-88's of V/KG40 (KG40?).

 

11 hours ago, Ettore said:

Goodmorning everyone
I read these 17 pages of post and honestly it was hard, but that's also why I love this forum ........
Well, for the maritime patrol theme, I ask you if these are allowed:

- Westland Wessex HU 5 Falkland war
- FL 282 V-6 Kolibri end WWII
- Caproni  Ca 313/314
- Fiat Cr 25

The last two were used in Sicily as patrol on Mediterranean sea

 

Thanks

Ettore

Hello Ettore, I think we need more information ...

 

Westland Wessex, let us know more about its duties at the time.

FL 282 V6: Did the Germans use V numbers to designate prototype or development aircraft?  Was it used operationally? If so, how?

Caproni  Ca 313/314: In a maritime patrol role, yes.  Transport and trainer roles, no.

Fiat Cr 25: Were these assigned to 173a Squadriglia Ricognizione Strategica Terrestre?  And was the strategic land reconnaissance squadron used, in practice, in a maritime reconnaissance role?

 

[Ettore]

Hi Robert

 

I studied!
Actually, of the four I can only do the Cr 25, which not only served as a escort, but also as a marine reconnaissance.

However I also have a Bristol Beaufort 1/72 of special Hobbies and an Avro Anson ( same brand), tomorrow I'll see if the decals are compatible with the GB al I'll tell you, add me to the list at the moment.

 

Ettore

[Robert Stuart]

OK Ettore, thanks.  If you have a kit, the Cr 25 would be a bit different here