swordfish fairey Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I have been asked about the way I make the bases on a couple of models built recently, so decided to do a step-by-step. If it is too basic, I apologise, but I thought I would show exactly what I use to get the result. I have used a Wilkinsons photo clip frame costing a quid..I have also used their cheapo picture frames ,some have glass, some perspex.My Ekranoplan used the latter. This is the clip frame in bits....... The sub hull is cut down to the waterline and sanded until perfectly flat on the glass..... ............. To be continued 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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swordfish fairey Posted June 28, 2013 Author Share Posted June 28, 2013 These are the Vallejo acrylic sea effects that I used on the Trafalgar class submarine that will be used as an example...... http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234942214-hms-talent-trafalgar-class-submarine-in-1350-scale/ Using the short bristle brush I "Stipple" on the acrylic into a thin pattern on the glass, I form the surface waves by pushing the brush in one direction to give depth to the surface...... This is after the initial application, note the hull position marked with CD marker pen..Any acrylic "sea" inside the lines is shaved off with a scalpel blade to keep the surface flat for the hull........... To be continued...........Smudge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuprar Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I'm loving this Tony, always wanted to know how it was done! Thanks for taking the time to show us all buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Excellent, perfect timing, just starting to think of doing one of these! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordfish fairey Posted June 28, 2013 Author Share Posted June 28, 2013 I painted the underside of the glass using an old tin of Humbrol HB9 Sea blue gloss................. And you can see how it has brought out the detail on the 'water',and if you will excuse the pun, given it 'depth'............... With a flash photo it stands out even more.............. Having painted the sub, I fixed it to the glass with Zap-A-Gap and when dried stippled more of the acrylic into a wake pattern, building up the area's that need some depth, over the bow in particular... It looks quite bright when wet, but dries a lot darker..... TBC..............Smudge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordfish fairey Posted June 28, 2013 Author Share Posted June 28, 2013 Excellent, perfect timing, just starting to think of doing one of these! Timing's my middle name..................... .................Smudge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuprar Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Tony where did you get the Vallejo acrylic sea effects from? I can't find it any where Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordfish fairey Posted June 28, 2013 Author Share Posted June 28, 2013 I got it from MDC at the Salisbury show last year, but you can find it on Ebay under Vallejo water effects...The one I use is Atlantic blue....................Smudge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goggsy Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Great stuff. What would you say the Vallejo stuff actually is behind the label? (ie, what is it actually made from - is it basically PVA with a few additives?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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swordfish fairey Posted June 29, 2013 Author Share Posted June 29, 2013 Great stuff. What would you say the Vallejo stuff actually is behind the label? (ie, what is it actually made from - is it basically PVA with a few additives?) Probably not far of the mark goggsy, this is the blurb from the label........"Vallejo water effects is a heavy bodied acrylic gel which can be shaped with a brush,palette knife, or any other tool to create waves, ripples, waterfalls and ice effects. The product dries to a hard, clear finish in about 24 hours. When applied on non porous surface, the product once dry can be peeled off and cut or folded to desired size... Waterbased, non toxic, no health labelling required.".... https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CEYQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.acrylicosvallejo.com%2Fen_US%2Fmaking-water-effects-with-vallejo-products%2Fblog%2F1%2F34&ei=1pjOUcq1NY3VPLSjgMAG&usg=AFQjCNEA_z6AyPJ2YSa7UaQ4LSetuEyAsg&bvm=bv.48572450,d.ZWU This is a link to their site with a lot of usefull information Smudge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordfish fairey Posted June 29, 2013 Author Share Posted June 29, 2013 After leaving it to dry for 24/48 hours I have used the Foam/snow to whiten the wake areas.......I applied it a bit like dry brushing but with the brush wetter then normal................. Decals applied and the hull weathered, with some of the Foam/snow brushed up the hull sides to replicate waves travelling down the waterline.... I used gloss varnish for the "wet" tide mark along the sides of the hull, printed a label, stuck it on the wood under the glass and cut out the water above to reveal it..I also super glued the glass to the wood backing on this one, although I have used the original clips on others............ And Bob's yer Uncle as they say...... I do hope this has proved useful.............................Smudge 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper_city Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Fantastic advice and one area ill be looking to get into in the future. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordfish fairey Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 You're more than welcome mark............................Smudge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khimbar Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Bookmarked for when I do my next boat. Thanks for this. Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Brilliant Smudge, using the glass and painting the back, one of those 'doh' moments why didn't I think of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordfish fairey Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 Brilliant Smudge, using the glass and painting the back, one of those 'doh' moments why didn't I think of that It's only taken me 64 years to come up with that.......... ..................Smudge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acky190 Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Cheers Tony, I have a cheapo Russian destroyer I am going to try this on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotorheadtx Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Brilliant!! And so generously shared with the community! I'm eager to try it for a helo winching or sonar dipping.... You make it look so easy, it's inspirational. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickpadwick1801 Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 fantastic at least i know if i ever decide to build a waterline model how to go about putting a base on it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordfish fairey Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 Brilliant!! And so generously shared with the community! I'm eager to try it for a helo winching or sonar dipping.... You make it look so easy, it's inspirational. Thanks! It is easy mate, if I can do it......well you know the rest.....The dipping sonar idea sounds first rate to me, I have some tungsten welding rods that are very thin with no flexibility at all, just the thing for the sonar cable..Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm!! Thanks for the nice comments....................................Smudge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabbi Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 thanks for sharing ! I will try that..... one day..... cheers, Ragnar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Excellent, thanks for taking the time to show us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Cracking job there Tony, thanks for your efforts in presenting the 'how to'. I'll have to look out for the heavy acrylic medium as we don't have access to Vaejo down here in SA. I used a product called 'Power Skim', it's a DIY ready made plaster repair produce not unlike Polyfilla Spackle. It dries white and accepts paint easily, check out my pics in the Floatplane/Seaplane GB. For those wanting to do a smaller job Windson and Newton do a clear acrylic gel in tubes. A guy here did little dio with a sub being hit with deapth charges by an Helldiver. He built up the water splash over a couple of days. Looked impressive when finished. Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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