Haydn Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 I thought I had just about finished this Trumpeter Hun (as a Misty FAC for our Recce theme) when I realised something was very wrong ! (Trumpeter at the front, Italeri behind.) The Trumpeter kit with the Italeri canopy in position.... The Trumpeter canopy which is way off shape at the back and which I planned to replace with a Rob Taurus vacform - I just hadn't realised why it was so misshapen !.... http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p276/mig23_photos/may05blogupdate/twoseathunfun_zpsfab60ce7.jpg[/img] (You may have to click on link above to get measurements) The Trumpeter kit has almost enough extra length to make it a 3 seater !!!! Cheers, Haydn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 What a pain! You would think they could get the measurements somewhere like they should be. I bet you said a few things and thought about kicking something when you spotted that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 That's very disappointing, more so considering that the trumpeter F-100s have several features that are an improvement over the Esci/Italeri kits (separate slats for a starter). Yet they got the shape worse than a 25 year old kit. I have the F-100C in this scale and while it is a beautiful example or a modern and well detailed kit the whole shape of the tail is quite suspect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 In your photos the wing appears to be a lot further aft on the Trumpeter kit too. Is that an optical illusion or real? Duncan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) In your photos the wing appears to be a lot further aft on the Trumpeter kit too. Is that an optical illusion or real? Duncan B Line A (nose to L/Edge) on the Italeri is 78mm. Same line on the Trumpeter is 86mm. so the wing root starts further back Edited May 28, 2013 by bzn20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hacker Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 The Italeri kit is the former ESCI kit and at the time was a very good kit. It was very accurate so judging from this the Trumpeter has problems. Was going to buy one but now may not and buy the Italeri kit instant. I think it does come in a single seat as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) The Italeri kit is the former ESCI kit and at the time was a very good kit. It was very accurate so judging from this the Trumpeter has problems. Was going to buy one but now may not and buy the Italeri kit instant. I think it does come in a single seat as well The Italeri and ESCI kits are separate moldings, although very similar. In fact, the Italeri moldings are probably based on the ESCI moldings, but the two kits have different sprue layouts and other differences listed below (courtesy of Kursad A) Some changes between the Esci and Italeri F-100s are:

 -The Italeri canopy has a spurious extra frame that shouldn't be there, the Esci canopy is correct. 
-The Italeri kit has the shorter 275 gal tanks, the Esci kit has the larger drop tanks. 
-The Italeri kit has improved main landing gear parts with brake cables and slightly more detailed wheels. 
-The Italeri kit has a cockpit with raised switch/gauge detail while the Esci kit had a smooth instrument panel and side consoles for use with the cockpit decals provided.
 -The Italeri kit has a better ejection seat. 
-The Italeri kit comes with M117 750lb bombs while the Esci kit did not have any stores Regards, Murph Edited May 28, 2013 by Murph 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Dykas Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Simple, find an Italeri kit, add some resin and use the wings from the Trumpeter kit to get the slats. Btw, what's a warning point? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Shocking. Positively shocking. A Trumpeter kit with silly, easily avoidable basic problems. I'm shocked beyond words. The factory station diagrams for the F-100 family are a closely guarded national secret, and only if you have access to the internet and five minutes to search can you possibly hope to ever see them. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sten Ekedahl Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Not the first time Trumpeter has goofed like this. Dare I mention the EE Lightning... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Really bad joke of the Trumpeter, I remember to place the slat down on F100D, I used two models. When built F100F Ertl for slats, I used the salts from Hight Planes plastic injection. My judgment is that Italeri / Revell at the moment are the best on the market. Slats of Hight Planes, internal Aires / CMK, you have a top model. The frames of the canopy can be rebuilt and it is very simple. If anyone interested I can explain how to do!!!! Linus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Good information, I was going to buy a F-100, but now I know that I need to find a Italeri kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canberra kid Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) Good spot Haydn! You've saved a lot of folk a lot of trouble and cash. John Edited May 29, 2013 by canberra kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general melchett Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) That looks miles out Haydn, if you have it open it may not look so bad. It would seem that just about every kit they produce has some fault or another, as if it's part of the way they go about producing them. They aren't the only ones but what amazes me is that data, drawings, plans, walkaround photos, etc for most of the aircraft they go for are commonly available .......doesn't make any sense. Edited May 29, 2013 by general melchett 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary C Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Thanks for the heads up, I've got both the 1/48 C and D and was considering getting the F. Looking at some of the images of built up examples though it seems to have the same issue as the 72nd, same CAD I would imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haydn Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 Once I've figured out how to correct it I'll get the angle grinder out on this one and fit the Rob Taurus canopy. Just wish I 'd noticed it when I started ! I've a few more Trumpeter F-100Fs in the stash I want to build. I've already copied the Esci wheels in resin and created an intake that fits both the Trumpeter and Esci/Italeri kits so I thought I had all the problems sorted..... Cheers, Haydn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoz Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 
-The Italeri kit comes with M117 750lb bombs while the Esci kit did not have any stores Just FYI the original boxing (9022) DID come with pylons & external stores (sprue outlined in red): http://modelingmadness.com/scott/korean/preview/esci/9022.htm The latter release (9042) didn't. Guess which one I got... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Well nothing surprises me any more with Trumpeter's aircraft releases. Yet another example of their lackadaisical approach to research. I'm afraid its down to chaps like Haydn to spot this kind of stuff, because you can be sure as 4+4=8 that any magazine review will give it a huge thumbs up. Another stupid mistake from the home of stupid mistakes. "sigh" Jonners 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Once I've figured out how to correct it I'll get the angle grinder out on this one and fit the Rob Taurus canopy. Just wish I 'd noticed it when I started ! I've a few more Trumpeter F-100Fs in the stash I want to build. I've already copied the Esci wheels in resin and created an intake that fits both the Trumpeter and Esci/Italeri kits so I thought I had all the problems sorted..... Cheers, Haydn. Haydn, The intake kooks terrific; I'm curious how you pulled that off and also how it fits both kits. I'm sure you're aware the Trump kits in all scales have taken major kits for the shape of the intake (too flat). Regards, Murph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David H Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) Yet another example of their lackadaisical approach to research. Another stupid mistake from the home of stupid mistakes. "sigh" Jonners Jon, i'm much more of an F-101 enthusiast than a -100 guy, but after i saw Jamie Haggo's Danish F-100F, i suspected something was amiss but couldn't quite put my finger on it. I suspected the forward fuselage was too long, but then i thought, "No. Trumpeter might get something off, but they couldn't get something THAT far off.....could they?" Clearly, i was mistaken. Is this another case of the Trumpeter "A-Team" and "B-Team"?? It goes without saying, this isn't an "issue" like a mis-located fuel vent tube, or the wrong kind of afterburner petals, or a lack- of- the- proper- ribbing- on- the- cockpit- floor kind of issue. This is a serious @#$%up. I sure hope Mr. Song (Ex Trumpeter) is making sure not to make the same stupid mistakes over at Kitty Hawk. I guess we should be glad Trumpeter didn't take on the RF-8, huh? d-bot Edited May 30, 2013 by David H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hacker Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Just FYI the original boxing (9022) DID come with pylons & external stores (sprue outlined in red): http://modelingmadness.com/scott/korean/preview/esci/9022.htm The latter release (9042) didn't. Guess which one I got... so which one was the AMT kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoz Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) so which one was the AMT kit? 9022 was reboxed by AMT as 8557 Check link below: http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=135215 Edited May 30, 2013 by Panoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haydn Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 Haydn, The intake kooks terrific; I'm curious how you pulled that off and also how it fits both kits. I'm sure you're aware the Trump kits in all scales have taken major kits for the shape of the intake (too flat). Regards, Murph Hi Murph, This is about my third or fourth attempt at creating an intake for the Esci F-100 and when the Trumpeter kits were released with their flattened noses (but wonderful separate leading edge slats) I thought I'd better see it through this time. It's based on the Esci intake part with a duct made essentially from a Hasegawa F-16. You have to cut the appropriate length off the Trumpeter nose to get it to fit. I did send a couple of examples to a chap in the States who was looking to do the same thing but he's following a different route and with any luck will end up with a viable after-market product. Cheers, Haydn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hacker Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 This is the one l had at one time. It looked good in the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoz Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 This is the one l had at one time. It looked good in the box That's the ESCI one with a new fuselage (supposedly tooled by ESCI themselves but not released). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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