Amo Aero Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I have been working on a 1/48 Wallace/ Wapiti but I'm busy in other areas at the moment to give an update. John Be still my beating heart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fharris Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 It can be done. The conversion from the Frog Wallace to Wapiti. FGH 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 An article here about the Wallace with conversion details. The article too that Kevin mentioned from Meccano mag,has some good detail in it, the plans are on p20, the article is pps 21/22. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justplanecrazy Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 It can be done. The conversion from the Frog Wallace to Wapiti. FGH Another Fred Harris masterpiece! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatbox8 Posted May 25, 2013 Author Share Posted May 25, 2013 It can be done. The conversion from the Frog Wallace to Wapiti. FGH That is stunning. Not sure my effort will come up to that standard but as one can only get better the more one builds, it sets a great benchmark to aspire to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Still trying to sort out the wheat from the chaff with the Wapiti/ Wallace. The tailplanes in the Granger drawing are too narrow in chord and so are the ones in the Czech kit, as is the wing chord. The Stair drawings are correct. The tail chord should be 38" and the elevator chord 28" making an overall 66". That Frog Wapiti is stunning. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Well, still having fun sorting out the Wapiti/ Wallace drawings. There are differences between the Stair and Granger drawings, including the elusive shapes of the wing tips and vertical tail The ones you'd expect to be right in the Westland Book (Harborough) are certainly not. There are several errors and the dreaded printer has pushed them all over the shop. With the Wallace drawings there is an error that I think has carried over to the Ian Stair ones. The Wallace II cockpit is out of position as are some of the panels. I suspected this, having studied the construction and having just found the photos I needed, this is indeed the case. I've been surprised at how much Wapiti/Wallace stuff I've had squirreled away and half forgotten. I have been to the RAF Museum but on that occasion I couldn't take any measurements. I was puzzled by some of the structure in the rear cockpit which would interfere with the fitting of a gun ring until I realized that, this airframe must have been a target tug and had the extra base cross fittings for the ML winch type 'B'. Of note are the two types of inspection panel on Wallace's as well as the pilots canopy slides forwards over the windscreen. I am now drawing my own plans for both types. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 The drawings are going well but another error has raised it's head and that's the chord of the fin/rudder. I found an odd dimension which gives the distance between the trailing edge of the rudder and the trailing edge of the elevators so given that the vertical tail is too short and the horizontal surfaces are too narrow then the leading edges need to be moved forwards. The fin shape in all the drawings is wrong usually being too pointed. Another item dependent on getting this area right is the position of the tail skid/wheel as the frame it fixes to, butts up to the leading edge of the tail unit. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossm Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 I'm watching this thread with more of a Wallace interest than Wapiti as I'd like to build a Wallace target tug. I've a spare vacform canopy from a Vengeance which I'm hoping can be made to look something like that required, I hope I've a spare Aeroclub winch but I'm b*$!*ed if I know how to do that weird exhaust ring. I got hold of the old Aeroclub E045 but I imagine the reason it was discontinued long ago (last millennium?) was that it didn't quite get the shape right. If anyone has any ideas shall we start another thread or can this one be "bent" to include both types? Ross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 The old E045 was erroneously labelled Wallace in the catalogue 25 years ago as it was a standard Townend ring as used by many other types. The Wallace Townend ring had two reshaped areas to cater for the gun and gun sight.. When I do the 1/48th one I might also do it in 1/72. My main comments have been to point out the errors in both the Wapiti and the Wallace published drawings. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatbox8 Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 I'm watching this thread with more of a Wallace interest than Wapiti as I'd like to build a Wallace target tug. I've a spare vacform canopy from a Vengeance which I'm hoping can be made to look something like that required, I hope I've a spare Aeroclub winch but I'm b*$!*ed if I know how to do that weird exhaust ring. I got hold of the old Aeroclub E045 but I imagine the reason it was discontinued long ago (last millennium?) was that it didn't quite get the shape right. If anyone has any ideas shall we start another thread or can this one be "bent" to include both types? Ross I'd be very interested in watching your build if you are thinking of putting it in the 'work in progress' thread. I am quite interested in second line types like target tugs and I'm thinking about doing a FAA Meteor TT11. Best of luck with it. Cheers, Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Just an update on this. I have received some useful data from Agusta Westland and an invitation to go down to their archive. I've just about got the two types commonality sorted out and the drawings are looking good though I've come across some conflicting data which suggests that the elevators might after all be different. I've just come across another drawing which agrees with my Wallace revisions. John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Keep up the good work John! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Martin Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 a couple of sources for you to try Westland Wapiti Profile #032 booklet colour views Westland Wapiti IIa Air Illustrated Extra #06 article in India Westland Wapiti Air Enthusiast Quarterly 00119 article RAAF Westland Wapiti Air Enthusiast Quarterly 00119 photos colour views Westland Wapiti High Flight 01 01 article RCAF drawings Westland Wapiti IIa Planes 01 05 article plans 72 Westland Wapiti Aviation News 04 17 plans 72 Westland Wapiti Flying Review 196305 letter Westland Wapiti IPMS Cdn 197102 article drawing Westland Wapiti Aeroplane Monthly 197501 article Westland Wapiti Airfix 197506 article Westland Wapiti Air International 197512 letter RAAF Westland Wapiti RAF Yearbook 1984 article Westland Wapiti Scale Aircraft Modelling 200504 plans 48 Westland Wapiti Iia Scale Aviation Modeller 200704 V13 #4 kit review cmr 72 Pat Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatbox8 Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 a couple of sources for you to try Westland Wapiti Profile #032 booklet colour views Westland Wapiti IIa Air Illustrated Extra #06 article in India Westland Wapiti Air Enthusiast Quarterly 00119 article RAAF Westland Wapiti Air Enthusiast Quarterly 00119 photos colour views Westland Wapiti High Flight 01 01 article RCAF drawings Westland Wapiti IIa Planes 01 05 article plans 72 Westland Wapiti Aviation News 04 17 plans 72 Westland Wapiti Flying Review 196305 letter Westland Wapiti IPMS Cdn 197102 article drawing Westland Wapiti Aeroplane Monthly 197501 article Westland Wapiti Airfix 197506 article Westland Wapiti Air International 197512 letter RAAF Westland Wapiti RAF Yearbook 1984 article Westland Wapiti Scale Aircraft Modelling 200504 plans 48 Westland Wapiti Iia Scale Aviation Modeller 200704 V13 #4 kit review cmr 72 Pat Martin Thanks Pat. Might have a trawl and see if I have any of these. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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