Max Headroom Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Cut loose the reality part of your mind and hide it in a box under the stairs. Then enter this portal....... http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234932179-what-if-iii/ You may never leave! Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilfish Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Personally I love Whiffing. But, as others have said, my whifs have to have a basis in reality. I often do a lot of research into the idea I have and make a whole back story to make it as believeable as I can. My favourite thing is to take a point in history which could have gone one way or the other and see where the other way takes me. Some of mine.... Gloster Rapier. Using captured German Horten, combined with British engines. Hawker Siddely Typhoon F1. What if the P.1121 had been further developed and put into production? Vulcan B3. After the Falklands the Vulcan was kept in service and given a full update. Tomcat F1. What if the Navy bought them? Hawk TF3. With cutbacks the RAF are forced to used radar equipped Hawks as fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albeback52 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) Actually its the other way round, the rivet counters can't comprehend What-if and see it as a waste of a good model or two and tend to bypass the What-if's for fear we may corrupt them Lol!! I can relate to that Geoff!! I got a lot of comments on another modelling site from people commenting on my Boeing B-56 ( that's the converted B-47 in the photo!) Mostly along the lines of " don't understand why" or, " waste of a hard to find kit". Well, the B-56 was REAL ( albeit never leaving the drawing board) and it would have had 4 engines ( in single mounts) . Well, imagination is something of a modelling prerogative in my view & I think if people have to ask the question "why"?, then they will never understand the answer. As Martiin also pointed out , this is a hobby. There is I think a line to be drawn between (a) a hobby and ( an obsession and, to my way of thinking there are far too many "modellers" who have lost sight of (a) and crossed that line. One of my biggest sources of amusement ( and despair!) is the people who get all worked up into a frenzy over the most utterly trivial issues that, in many cases cannot even be SEEN unless one carries out a Bernard Spilsbury type forensic examination!! The pick of the bunch are the ones that start rubbishing a kit ( and, even in some cases making nit picking comments about the "inaccuracy" of the box art) BEFORE the kit ceases being a photo of a test shot and actually goes into production! F F S, it's ONLY A MODEL !! Allan ps - I do actually enjoy "proper" modelling as well just in case anybody was wondering! Edited February 8, 2013 by Albeback52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrvr6 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 all beleivable what if the f111 had major problems early on (i think that part is real!) and the tsr2 entered service? the yanks needed a strike plane in vietnam but wernt at all sure if the f111 was up to the task. which is better? theres only 1 way to find out FIGHT! (well an in service competition anyway lol) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Lol!! I can relate to that Geoff!! I got a lot of comments on another modelling site from people commenting on my Boeing B-56 ( that's the converted B-47 in the photo!) Mostly along the lines of " don't understand why" or, " waste of a hard to find kit". Well, the B-56 was REAL ( albeit never leaving the drawing board) and it would have had 4 engines ( in single mounts) . Well, imagination is something of a modelling prerogative in my view & I think if people have to ask the question "why"?, then they will never understand the answer. As Martiin also pointed out , this is a hobby. There is I think a line to be drawn between (a) a hobby and ( an obsession and, to my way of thinking there are far too many "modellers" who have lost sight of (a) and crossed that line. One of my biggest sources of amusement ( and despair!) is the people who get all worked up into a frenzy over the most utterly trivial issues that, in many cases cannot even be SEEN unless one carries out a Bernard Spilsbury type forensic examination!! The pick of the bunch are the ones that start rubbishing a kit ( and, even in some cases making nit picking comments about the "inaccuracy" of the box art) BEFORE the kit ceases being a photo of a test shot and actually goes into production! F F S, it's ONLY A MODEL !! Allan ps - I do actually enjoy "proper" modelling as well just in case anybody was wondering! Couldn't agree more with you.... I'm not really into building What if models, but must agree that it's a refreshing way of clearing my mind when I got stuck and loose interest about modelling, and that happens sometimes, despite my ever growing stash of "want to build" kits... Whenever I build a What If, I like it to be somehow "believable", and not too far away from what could actually had happen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorth Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) What if is a whole lot of fun and a good exercise in imagination and resourcefulness. Some back stories that Whiffers write to back up their projects are fascinating in their own right. Here's a couple of mine. Avia S-90 Hurikan: Fiat G.163 Cometa: Edited February 8, 2013 by upnorth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The wooksta V2.0 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Based partly in reality: More flight of fancy, although Spiteful RB 518 did reach a max. 494 mph. It didn't wear this fancy racer scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Jones Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 As has already been said What-if can be anything from paper projects, such as the supersonic Supermarine Scimitar development, to pure flights of fancy such as the Gloster Reaper, or could be as simple as a change of markings, Andrew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) If Britmodeller had a roof, this would be a loony bin :) OMG, "whatiffers" show like the bugs that run when you lift a stone :) :) Really nice kits here....!!!!! Edited February 8, 2013 by Artie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 My last WHIF postulated what would the RAF have done with its Spitfires had there been no European war in 1939? Well, the camouflage would have been stripped off for a start Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scratchbuilder Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 Great stuff there and as for the back stories in "support" of these flights of fancy, try reading about some of the better model railway layouts, based on what might have been. Parliamentary Acts that were passed, but never built, etc. Some of them actually have you wondering if you're reading a history book. You could almost be forgiven for going off in your car looking for evidence! Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Jones Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 If Britmodeller had a roof, this would be a loony bin :) OMG, "whatiffers" show like the bugs that run when you lift a stone :) :) Really nice kits here....!!!!! I think you'll find the correct term is " whiffers " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixII Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 lol come to the dark side we haz cookies Yes. but people, BEWARE! They also have................................................................. TWIGGLETS! (Spawn of the devil!) Great whiffs Guys, the TSR2 in Upper Heyford ( ) marks is a cracker. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fids Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I love what if's, its usually the first forum I look at on any modelling site. Now, challenge time. I've never seen a 1970's RAF B52. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scratchbuilder Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 I am eating Twiglets as I type. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The wooksta V2.0 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 There is a 72nd RAF B52 doing the rounds. Martin Higgs of the IPMS UK What If SIG has one. And never issue a whiffer with a challenge, because it'll come back and bite you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daryl J. Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 What If: it is a source of Life Refreshment and Enhancement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrvr6 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 What If: it is a source of Life Refreshment and Enhancement. beer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The wooksta V2.0 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 More like a nIce bottle of old recipe Sailor Jerry's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Av8fan Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) Whatif Profiles: http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/fantasy_aircraft_start.html Imagine an SU-27 in Blue Angels livery. http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/scifi/scifi_start.html Sci Fi Whatifs Whatifs are fun, they allow you to stretch your imagination beyond the accepted/normal. Oh how about a YF-23 in JASDF colours? http://s362974870.onlinehome.us/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=89934&view=findpost&p=1295879 Mr. Hobby has just released the "oceanic" paints..so you can do that awesome blue on blue. Hopefully the 1/48th kit is good when it gets released. Edited February 9, 2013 by Av8fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrvr6 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 the f23 is an awesome looking plane im currently working on a swing wing tsr2 lol http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234934588-swing-wing-tsr2/ i enjoy the technical challenge of altering a kit this thing is alot more complicated than i initially thought to actually make it work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilfish Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I'm wanting to do a twin seat YF-23 TSR2 replacement. Hows that for a Whif on a Whif? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 WHAT IF must be contagious.....Have you noticed the Trumpeter Seafang/Spiteful decal options....?????? Now we can build a what it OOB :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrvr6 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I'm wanting to do a twin seat YF-23 TSR2 replacement. Hows that for a Whif on a Whif? lol i like it although the f23 wasnt a pure strike platform like tsr2 was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Jones Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 i like it although the f23 wasnt a pure strike platform like tsr2 was But, in what-if it can be anything you want it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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