mobydog Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 (edited) Here are two kits that I have just got hold of. Opened the Dragon for a quick butchers and it scared me to death. Strewth! Andy. Edited September 12, 2012 by mobydog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 No pictures Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobydog Posted August 22, 2012 Author Share Posted August 22, 2012 Oops. Rectified.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Should look good - makes a change from the usual Famo pulling the Flak 37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobydog Posted August 22, 2012 Author Share Posted August 22, 2012 Mike I was intrigued by the fact that only a few were built (20-30) and the variation was relatively unknown until one was dragged dragged out of a river in Poland a few years ago.(Probably by Tony Robinson and Phil Harding ha ha). It was restored and Trumpeter used it as the basis for their kit. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avro683 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I have the Dragon "88" in my stash. I shall be watching this with interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robw_uk Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 thats a nice pair... hope to see them progress soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Vale Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I have the Dragon "88" in my stash. I shall be watching this with interest. Likewise. I agree it looks very scary opening the box, it's brim-full with stuff and much of it is tiny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobydog Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 Mods could you move this to work in progress please. Makes more sense now. Then I might have to do something.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobydog Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 Likewise. I agree it looks very scary opening the box, it's brim-full with stuff and much of it is tiny! By the way Will loved the Mole. Stunning work I thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobydog Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 Ok. Following the c*ck up on my bus, I have put it to one side until I can face putting it right. So I am going to start these two. Well the tractor anyway. The sd.kfz.8 DB10 is an armoured version of the 12t gun tractor. It is an enigmatic beast as it was relatively unknown until one was dragged from the Pilica River in Poland In the late 1990's. It had suffered explosive damage and was believed to have been in the river since late 1945. Because of it's rarity there has been conjecture as to whether this was a prototype vehicle. Some believe that 20-30 were built. Without any evidence to the contrary, I dont think anyone really knows. The prototype theory seems to be supported by the fact that only three contemporary photographs exist. These are they:- The river discovery was restored and is now on display at the Tomaszow Museum and looks like this This is the example that Trumpeter based their kit on. (Well it would have to be as there aren't any others) The restorers had to make many educated guesses whilst rebuilding because of the extensive damage so consequently the kit may not be a totally accurate representation of the original vehicle. However, without the original drawings no one can know the difference! Here is a video of the restored monster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA4sSIm4yEw And here is a link to a Polish site that has a bit of a walk around http://www.odkrywca.pl/galerie.php?nazwa=lufcik There are two different sets of tyres within the kit. It appears that because the restored version has pneumatic tyres, Trumpeter have followed suit. It seems that the original had solid road tyres and I have ordered resin replacements thus http://www.mrmodellbau.com/_shop/product_info.php?info=p632_MR-35382-Vorderraeder-Sd-Kfz-8-gepanzert.html&XTCsid=08e41a149069a7f5312244de1f2fdaca As soon as they arrive I will start the build. Oh one thing occurs. What colour should this be. I am told all late war german vehicles were dark yellow. It appears that most of these tractors were pulling guns for the Luftwaffe. Is the box art correct. I hope not because I dont like it! (A word on the provenance of the photos. I have been unable to ascertain copyright for them. If you own the copyright and wish them removed from this post please ask and I will gladly comply. Bear in mind that they are only for research purposes and posted for benefit of like minded individuals. There is no financial or personal gain) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobydog Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 There is no radiator in this kit. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobydog Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 Here is a site with some excellent pics of the recovery and subsequent resto http://www.detektorweb.cz/index.4me?s=show&i=3086&mm=1&vd=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobydog Posted September 6, 2012 Author Share Posted September 6, 2012 Engine and gearbox went together well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowler0000 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Looking good so far, MD! I do like these esoteric subjects: I did the 18cm Grille Tiger thing they did a few years ago... VERY nice kit, if you fancy something a bit bigger than a Maus?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobydog Posted September 6, 2012 Author Share Posted September 6, 2012 Looking good so far, MD! I do like these esoteric subjects: I did the 18cm Grille Tiger thing they did a few years ago... VERY nice kit, if you fancy something a bit bigger than a Maus?? Yes I know it. Bit of a monster! These two will keep me occupied for a bit I think. The Flak 37 looks very scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowler0000 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Yeah, i got the first version here with the crew: it >might< go in the "for sale" section of BM before long..... Does the halftrak REALLY need replacement wheels? If the tracks are vinyl, i can go with replacements, but wheels?!!? Anyhoo, i'm in the queue for this one: GOOD LUCK, especially with that FlaK..... (nice transparent dials on it, tho.. check em out!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobydog Posted September 6, 2012 Author Share Posted September 6, 2012 I just want to replace the front wheels from normal wheels to solid tyre ones as below... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobydog Posted September 12, 2012 Author Share Posted September 12, 2012 Ok. Got the chassis built. This needed a lot of test/dry fitting as it is a complicated (not a criticism) build. Detail is very good and the instructions are excellent for once although some of the isometric drawings leave the angling of some parts a little ambiguous Here are a few pics and I will use them to point out a couple of things that niggled me. Here arrowed are parts I had issued with. I think most modellers are generally against moving parts on detailed models replicating the real thing. I loved them as a kid on Airfix kits. Opening doors, moveable control surfaces, operating steering, the list goes on. The issue is that these lead to problems in realism especially on smaller scale models ie scale of hinges etc, Worse still, they invite people to play with very delicate models like toys. I am even now against rotating props and wheels. So what are Trumpeter doing trying to replicate operating scale steering. The parts involved are so delicate some are 1mm thick. Any "playing" with them would last about 3 seconds. I chose to glue them in place, wheels turned slightly (to give a bit of life). The bits I am talking about are shown below; Trumpeter also inexplicably give the choice of using wire(supplied) or a styrene part to represent a delicate shaft as below. Why, the part is the same thickness as the wire and if the wire IS used, it is so soft it is impossible to get straight! Nice photoetch for step on drive sprocketl I thought Anyway priming next. Upwards and onwards... Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaykay Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Love it... Looks fantastically well detailed, Jk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dads203 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Nice work so far, looks like a nice kit and something you don't see too often. Keep up the good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetboy Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Hi,liking the build and subject,have a few to do myself,so will follow with intrest cheers thanks Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobydog Posted September 13, 2012 Author Share Posted September 13, 2012 Thanks guys. Hers a comparison of the kit wheel and tyre and the AM resin wheel with solid rubber tyre from Mr Modelbau Some priming done this morning Not looking forward to doing the tracks Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete H Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Fabulous stuff up to now my friend! Most impressive and not a vehicle that I have seen before. Trumpy really turn out some great stuff and then kinda baffle ya with something that is either of no use/no additional benefit or grossly overscale. But then, I can live with that as their kits are pretty reasonably priced. Looking forward to seeing the "37" build. I built the Dragon Flak 18/36 (I think that's its name,,,,LOL) a while back (the one with the crew in winter clothing) and was very, very impressed by it. The most difficult aspect was working out which bits to paint before assembly and which you can build into sub-assemblies. So good luck with it. Regards Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robw_uk Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Ohhhhh that's nice..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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