pigsty Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 First, a disclaimer: this question is not about what precise shade of pink to use or whose emulsion paint is closest. I plan to build my 1/32 F-5E in Brazilian colours. One of the reasons for doing this was that the Brazilian F-5 appeared to have a slightly different colour scheme from the norm. It was essentially the same as USAF aircraft over Vietnam (green, green and tan) but seemed to have additional grey patches - on the upper surfaces, not the light grey underside. This was confirmed - or so I thought - when the pull-out in an issue of Airplane showed said grey bits. I’ve scrolled up and down the relevant part of Airliners.net and I’ve not found anything that indicates this illustration was correct. There are plenty of F-5Es in basic green, green and tan, but none with grey bits. On the other hand, there do seem to be quite a lot where the darker green has either weathered to a grey-green shade or has possbile even been replaced with a darkish shade of grey. One patch occupies a spot where the offending illustration had grey next to dark green. So I’m wondering: before they went overall grey, did Brazilian F-5Es ever wear upper surface colours of green, green, brown and grey? if not, and it was the standard US scheme, was the darker green replaced by another colour at some point? if not, has the darker green really weathered that much? This may sound silly but it looks quite unlike USAF aircraft, even those that have spent half a lifetime fading in the Arizona sun. Any and all help gratefully received! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelo_Campos Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Hi Pigsty. Do you have any pics of this brazilian F5E? I can help but i need some photo. Here we operate a various F5. Color scheme too. Overall grey, Vietnam scheme, Aggressor scheme etc. So post here a picture please. MArcelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsty Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Do you have any pics of this brazilian F5E? Sorry, I don't. Airliners.net has 102 pictures, none of which is the green/green/tan/grey. All I have is that one illustration on paper, and I can't scan it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelo_Campos Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Well lets try another way: do you have the tail number or s/n of this fighter? EX: FAB F5E 4820. Marcelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotthldr Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I think this pic will answer your question http://www.patricksaviation.com/files/phot...39332_35627.jpg I came across something similar a couple of years back when I was building a Brazilian AT-26(MB326) most of them wore SEA scheme but a few had a variation of the basic scheme with Grey applied in areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsty Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Ah-ha! I'll look up the serial number as soon as I can. Whether it will suit my FCM decals is another matter, but that's what number jungles are for ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) There's a top reference book about the Brasilian AF F-5s. http://www.rudnei.cunha.nom.br/FAB/br/f-5_...il_release.html http://www.aviationmegastore.com/northrop-...&art=106579 http://www.cavokstore.com.br/livros/militar.html http://www.hobbycraft.com.br/loja/index.ph...rt&Itemid=1 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northrop-F-5-In-Brazil-/150791401105 V.P. Edited April 18, 2012 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 There's a top reference book about the Brasilian AF F-5s.http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northrop-F-5-In-Brazil-/150791401105 V.P. Local pick up in Rio only so unless Seans going on holiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvanagr Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Hi pigsty. The sheme on Scott's pic is very similar to the SEA camo, that Greek F-5A also wore. Take a look at this pic and, i hope it helps: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelo_Campos Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Take it easy guys. Brazilian F5E had many camouflages. To know the correct one i need his tail number or serial number like i said. Don't take AT-26 color scheme. Brazilians F5 don't use Hellenic scheme. Be careful! Let me know the tail number and i'll tell you what's the correct paint scheme. About this book. It's the best publication for brazilian F5. Marcelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirvanagr Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) Take it easy guys.Brazilian F5E had many camouflages. To know the correct one i need his tail number or serial number like i said. Don't take AT-26 color scheme. Brazilians F5 don't use Hellenic scheme. Be careful! Let me know the tail number and i'll tell you what's the correct paint scheme. About this book. It's the best publication for brazilian F5. Marcelo Hi Marcelo. According to the photo that Scott uploaded (link) the sheme is almost the same with the Greek Air Force's F-5A sheme. I didn't say Brazilian F-5s used the Greek sheme. I just said the shemes are very similar. Nevertheless, the SEA camo is not Greek but American. so, it's very possible many air forces may have used it. Just compare the two pics. I have many more of the real planes with the SEA camo, if needed. Edited April 18, 2012 by nirvanagr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsty Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 Well, anyway, the illustration I have is serial number 4835, marked up for 1o/1o GAvCa at Santa Cruz. The only visible grey patches are one across the top of the fin, and another at the bottom of the fin leading edge and along the leading-edge fillet. Hope that helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelo_Campos Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Well i'm searching. Wait my reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelo_Campos Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Pigsty. Consulting my notebook, the plane in question, registered 4835 which belonged to the first squad of the first group (1º/1º Gav) was received on July 75, but it had a short life in the FAB as he suffered an accident in the BAAN in August 77 and due to the damage was then discarded his recovery, going to waste. The paint was camouflage type SEA, only remembering that in the operations in that squad, were used at the helm of the squad or two wafers to be sitting in the nail and pif-paf, one each on each side. In terms of experimental paintings aeonaves only the 4824 and 4834 used a standard gray FS 36495 and two of them used commemorative paintings which are 4841 and 4846. So your F5 have a SEA scheme. Take the original scheme and paint it. Marcelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsty Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) Thanks very much for all your help with this. I wonder where that illustration came from? I may do one last image search (it might work) and then have a good long think about it. Edited April 19, 2012 by pigsty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelo_Campos Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I'm searching this aircraft with a friend... Be cool... Marcelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoz Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) Thanks very much for all your help with this. I wonder where that illustration came from? I may do one last image search (it might work) and then have a good long think about it. It's the foldout from World Air Power Journal's feature article on the F-5 (volume 25) and yes it shows grey patches: (Click to enlarge) The blurb on the same illustration regarding camouflage says that "Brazilian F-5Es were delivered in a three-tone camouflage using similar shades to those applied to USAF F-5s used in Vietnam and indeed to VNAF F-5Es". No mention of grey areas. And a question to Marcelo regarding FAB F-5s. Many years ago on the Key Publishing forums, some Brazilian mentioned that four RF-5A style photo reconnaisance noses were delivered together with the first FAB F-5Es in 1975. They were tried out, results were not satisfactory and were subsequently scrapped. Do you have anymore info on that or even photos??? Edited April 19, 2012 by Panoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoz Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 And since I got the magazine out here's a scan of the FAB page on the F-5 feature: (Click to enlarge) Note that on the leading edges of the fins of the camouflaged aircraft (same areas as in the illustration) the faded dark green colour (FS34079) looks like grey. Maybe the illustrator thought it was an extra colour??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsty Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 It's the foldout from World Air Power Journal's feature article on the F-5 (volume 25) and yes it shows grey patches: (Click to enlarge) Yes, that's the chap. And it's quite possible that it is indeed faded green rather than true grey. But I live in hope ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelo_Campos Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 It's the foldout from World Air Power Journal's feature article on the F-5 (volume 25) and yes it shows grey patches: (Click to enlarge) The blurb on the same illustration regarding camouflage says that "Brazilian F-5Es were delivered in a three-tone camouflage using similar shades to those applied to USAF F-5s used in Vietnam and indeed to VNAF F-5Es". No mention of grey areas. And a question to Marcelo regarding FAB F-5s. Many years ago on the Key Publishing forums, some Brazilian mentioned that four RF-5A style photo reconnaisance noses were delivered together with the first FAB F-5Es in 1975. They were tried out, results were not satisfactory and were subsequently scrapped. Do you have anymore info on that or even photos??? Ok. FIRST: this illustration is WRONG! But i'll confirme with a friend. SECOND: let me search a little bit about these aricrafts. Marcelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelo_Campos Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 And since I got the magazine out here's a scan of the FAB page on the F-5 feature: (Click to enlarge) Note that on the leading edges of the fins of the camouflaged aircraft (same areas as in the illustration) the faded dark green colour (FS34079) looks like grey. Maybe the illustrator thought it was an extra colour??? It's a great photo. Here we can see the SEA scheme. Dark green looks like grey. The illustrator is very wrong. Great photo... Marcelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelo_Campos Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Yes, that's the chap. And it's quite possible that it is indeed faded green rather than true grey. But I live in hope ... Pigsty, F5E from 1º/1º GAV - Senta Pua are SEA scheme. This profile posted in magazine is wrong and the other photo can confirme this information. MArcelo PS: guys i'm looking for more informations and more pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsty Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 This profile posted in magazine is wrong and the other photo can confirme this information. That's what I was thinking too. An unusual result, as Keith Fretwell was normally a peerless illustrator. Still, adding Brazilian markings to anything will improve it, so I'll press on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don McIntyre Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 You may want to have a look here: http://images.google.com/search?q=%22f4b4+...tart=0&sa=N or here: http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.sear...umbnails=noinfo http://home.eblcom.ch/f5enthusiast/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don McIntyre Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 (edited) This may also be worth a look: <deleted> never mind Edited April 23, 2012 by Don McIntyre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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