Cummulus Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Hi! I am entering group build with two Revell Hunters. First one: F. Mk. 6, with Eduard PE, CMK resin wheels and Master pitot probe. I am building this one as Operation Musketeer 34. squadron F.5, I also bought Quickboost Exhaust for Skyhawk. This now seems unnecessary, since Revell's Hunter exhaust and Quickboost's Skyhawk exhaust have practically the same diameter. I''ll post some pictures in a day or two... Second one: FGA.9, with Part PE, CMK resin wheels and Master pitot probe. I am planning to finish her in Iraqi livery, so Linden Hill decals will be used. First Revell's boxes were modified, since I really hate those end opening Revell boxes. I hope to show some progress soon. Right now I am doing serious butt surgery on F.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Sounds like two great builds. I might have a go at modifying Revell boxes too, neat idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Quinton Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Looking forward to seeing the the Iraqi livery done. The Revell kits are nice to build from what I can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Hi!I am entering group build with two Revell Hunters. First one: F. Mk. 6, with Eduard PE, CMK resin wheels and Master pitot probe. I am building this one as Operation Musketeer 34. squadron F.5, I also bought Quickboost Exhaust for Skyhawk. This now seems unnecessary, since Revell's Hunter exhaust and Quickboost's Skyhawk exhaust have practically the same diameter. I''ll post some pictures in a day or two... Second one: FGA.9, with Part PE, CMK resin wheels and Master pitot probe. I am planning to finish her in Iraqi livery, so Linden Hill decals will be used. First Revell's boxes were modified, since I really hate those end opening Revell boxes. I hope to show some progress soon. Right now I am doing serious butt surgery on F.5. Quickboosts Skyhawk exhaust??? Just a thought, the F5's tailpipe was a very different shape to that of the F6, the former was narrower and swept upwards at the rear. Have a look at the pic's posted in the reference section. I see you have had the same problems with the old SAM decal sheet as I did - back in the 1980's! In fact I think this was one of the problems that made SAM discontinue them. Still the 34 Sqn markings look okay - you can always paint the 'yellow' stripes (called as actually being in 'cream' - mixed yellow and white, or mid-stone, due to a shortage of yellow on Cyprus.) Edited February 19, 2012 by Bill Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cummulus Posted February 19, 2012 Author Share Posted February 19, 2012 Quickboosts Skyhawk exhaust??? Just a thought, the F5's tailpipe was a very different shape to that of the F6, the former was narrower and swept upwards at the rear. Have a look at the pic's posted in the reference section. I see you have had the same problems with the old SAM decal sheet as I did - back in the 1980's! In fact I think this was one of the problems that made SAM discontinue them. Still the 34 Sqn markings look okay - you can always paint the 'yellow' stripes (called as actually being in 'cream' - mixed yellow and white, or mid-stone, due to a shortage of yellow on Cyprus.) I am really trying to modify Hunter F.6 exhaust using Skyhawk exhaust to make it look F.5! F.5 and F.4 had small bore tailpipe, fuselage was really swept upward on the lower side of fuselage. My idea was to use Skyhawk exhaust (J65 was american version of Sapphire, right?) and to mate it to upper part of Hunter's rear fuselage. So I would get upward swept lower portion if rear fuselage. I am in a very early stage of this modification. I' ll post pictures as soon as I have something to show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 I am really trying to modify Hunter F.6 exhaust using Skyhawk exhaust to make it look F.5!F.5 and F.4 had small bore tailpipe, fuselage was really swept upward on the lower side of fuselage. My idea was to use Skyhawk exhaust (J65 was american version of Sapphire, right?) and to mate it to upper part of Hunter's rear fuselage. So I would get upward swept lower portion if rear fuselage. I am in a very early stage of this modification. I' ll post pictures as soon as I have something to show. Indeed, I've posted photo's of the F5 at Tangmere in the review section....Nice bit of lateral thinking chosing a Skyhawk tailpipe, however my understanding was that the exhaust pipe on the Avon 200 Hunter (as opposed to the Avon 100 and Sapphire) was slightly longer - which required a wider end part. So not sure if a Skyhawks rear end would have any relevance..but anyway, AIRFrame's do a small bore pipe, as do Freightdog. These do have the upsweep. This is the AIRFrames set (I think -it was a few years ago) it has the correct centre section for an Avon 100 series Hunter with the right vents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cummulus Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 I've been doing some butt surgery on F.5. Using Quickboost Skyhawk exhaust was wishfull thinking. Revell and Quickboost exhaust have practically the same diameteter, Quickboost is even slightly larger. So I decided to use Quickboost exhaust tube as lip. I cut 2mm of Revell lip and thinned uper part. I got 1,5 mm on the bottom of the lip to reprofile lower contour of exhaust lip. I'll use old ESCI Skyhawk exhaust, slightly thinned fits perfectly inside modified lip. Now back to the surgery... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I was going to build an Iraqi Hunter with the same decal sheet you have. I may still do, but I'm guessing it won't be in your class. I certainly haven't bought any aftermarket stuff for mine, so will be taking notes. Looking forward to the next update mate. I wouldn't have even known about the difference in the exhaust diameter between a F.6 and a F.5, so well done for trying to resolve it. Deacon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cummulus Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 Gluteoplasty on F.5 tail is finished! I think I slightly oversanded the bottom, upward sweep shoud be a little more pronounced, but I am generally pleased with outline. I still have to correct small scratches from scribing. Exhaust pipe then go to my friend, who will make some resin copies of it. I have a question about Hunter underbelly airbrake. I've read HERE that Revell airbrake is about 2mm short. Part PE should correct that on Iraqi F.59. But then I found out that airbrake on F.4 and F.5 was shorter! Can some expert tell more about this? Should the F.5 airbrake be left as it is, or should be modified and how? Thanks for looking, all comments are welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Gluteoplasty on F.5 tail is finished! I think I slightly oversanded the bottom, upward sweep shoud be a little more pronounced, but I am generally pleased with outline. I still have to correct small scratches from scribing. Exhaust pipe then go to my friend, who will make some resin copies of it. I have a question about Hunter underbelly airbrake. I've read HERE that Revell airbrake is about 2mm short. Part PE should correct that on Iraqi F.59. But then I found out that airbrake on F.4 and F.5 was shorter! Can some expert tell more about this? Should the F.5 airbrake be left as it is, or should be modified and how? Thanks for looking, all comments are welcome! I think that looks rather good! Never heard about the difference in airbrakes before though??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cummulus Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 I think that looks rather good! Never heard about the difference in airbrakes before though??? It've read it HERE. Very inspiring and instructional build... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 It've read it HERE. Very inspiring and instructional build... Well, you learn something new every day! That is a nice build! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme H Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Nice going so far, like the tailpipe, never thought of doing it that way, I just bought the Aeroclub one it's good to see another modeller cutting up the Revell box the same as I do, like you I detest end opening boxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cummulus Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 Nice going so far, like the tailpipe, never thought of doing it that way, I just bought the Aeroclub oneit's good to see another modeller cutting up the Revell box the same as I do, like you I detest end opening boxes Trust me, I prefer spending money too... I could not find Aeroclub tailpipe to buy. Well, I did find one, but 8€ plus 15€ postage is way to much... I can't wait to see resin copies of my product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cummulus Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 Long time since last update. End date is creeping closer and I have to speed thing up. I've read all the best about Revell kit, but getting the wings together was a real pain in the rear. But it may be just me. I managed to get the wings together, removed dogtooth on F.5 wings, and blended all together. I'll do F.59 wings with flaps down, underside look like this: I built new flaps using Part PE, they look better than kit parts to me: Each flap section is built from 25 tiny pieces, I think so. Getting them together is test of man's patience and determination. I also made new wingtip lights from streched sprue: Intakes are a weak point of the kit. I wasn't satisfied with gaping hole where the intakes should be, so I made some kind of funnel and created intakes: Yesterday I managed to fill all unnecessary fuselage panels and create new ones for the F.5 kit. I used some leftover bits from MiG-29 PE set to create exhaust grilles on F.5 fuselage: Today I started to build cockpits, it's too late for taking pictures, so I'll make pictures tomorrow. Thanks for looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cummulus Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 I have a question for Hunter fans. I plan to finish my F.5 as WP130/S of 34. squadron, during Suez crisis. There is a poor picture of this plane without Sabrinas fitted. If I omit Sabrinas, should I leave cartridge case ejector chutes (two tubes at the rear end of Sabrinas)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenMG Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) Could you direct me to the photo you mention? When the sabrina mod was introduced, the radio bay doors (on which the rear part of the sabrina are mounted) were also modified to re-route and extend the ejection chutes. This means that a pre-mod aircraft will look different to a post-mod aircraft with the sabrinas removed with regard to the ejector chute shape and position. If you can tell that the chute positions are exactly as in the photo you posted, then it will indicate that the aircraft has been modified but has had it's sabrinas removed. If that's the case then the "tubes" will still be in place. However, if the ejection chutes are in different positions then it'll be pre-mod and the chutes will end flush with the fuselage. Also, I believe someone mentioned the airbrake earlier in this thread? It doesn't seem to be well known that there were 2 different design of airbrake used on the Hunter. The rule of thumb is that the 'big engined' Hunters (i.e. F.6 onwards) had the later style of airbrake, whereas the pre-F.6 aircraft had the early style. These photos illustrate the difference quite well I think. Note that the overall length of the brake and fairing is about the same in both cases (the internal mounting structure for the jack at the rear and the hinges at the front was unchanged), but the later style is a longer brake made possible by redesigning and shortening the fixed fairing so that the forward structure of the airbrake itself could be lengthened. Early style, Late style, Hope that helps. Mark Edited March 22, 2012 by StephenMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cummulus Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 Could you direct me to the photo you mention? That's the picture I was talking about, it's from MAM, November 2005: Picture is rather poor, but with slight imagination you can see the tubes. Or not... Anyway, 34. squadron was equipped with Hunters in the beginning of 1956. So can I asume that they had post-mod aircraft? On all other pictures (very few, sadly) of 34. squadron Hunters I see Hunters with Sabrinas. Thank you very much for clarifying airbrake question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenMG Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 (edited) Hmm, hard to tell from that photo. What I would say though is that I've never seen an operational Hunter without sabrinas but with the modified radio bay doors. I've just searched through the pics in my Hunter books and they've confirmed that. Having said that, there do seems to be dark patches in the photo which correspond with the chute locations on the modified door. Tricky one! Edited March 22, 2012 by StephenMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cummulus Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 Few photos of today's work. I finished cockpit sidewalls: I also added few bits and pieces to rear bulkhead: One more to finish and then to paintbooth... Thanks for looking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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