Moofles Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 (edited) Right then chaps, just ordered myself Eduards Fw-190 D-11. Hopefully get it by weds next week. Then onto some serious building. Edited April 16, 2012 by Moofles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Welcome on board. I've heard that the Eduard kits a really nice so you'll hopefully have fun building it. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowmk9 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Yep will be looking forward to seeing this one get built mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 looking forward to your build looking forward to your build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank152 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Got a D-11 to do sometime myself.so I'll be following you along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moofles Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Right then, after some searches on the interwebs, it seems that the D-11 is a bit of a mystery, AM decals seem to be very thin on the ground, and since i dont want to do the varient on the box im going to take some modeler lisence with this build. Im currently toying with what colour scheme to do it in. I like the look of the Fw-190 D-13 yellow 10, but i want to keep my paintscheme to realms of historical whiffery. Im going to depict a machine in service with heavy wear and tear (due to the limited paint and whatnot towards the end) so...I ask you...suggestions. Best paint scheme suggestion wins. I am however fond of mottling, and i do like the look of RLM ''84" so if you find a pleaseing colour scheme with those two in it, i may well paint it in that scheme. If no one replies i shall end up doing a varient of yellow 10 but using rlm "84" and rlm 76. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_H_ Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) I have some spare D11 decals but most were of a similar camouflage. I think I have white <58 and white <61 and of course Red4 from JV44 Go here http://www.eduard.com/store/out/media/8185.pdf and the schemes for the D11 are about 3/4 of the page down. I don't think you will find a paint scheme with the fictional RLM84 on D-11's. The blue-green was most likely RLM76 with a light overspray of RLM02 and is fairly similar to the infamous duck egg blue of RAF fame Howard Edited February 7, 2012 by _H_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Don't forget that these aircraft were manufactured and painted at various locations. So feel free to have a 'patchy' Dora. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moofles Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 If you have the "61" decals going spare woulndt mind taking those off your hands. Still not really decided on a colour scheme, since i like to have that something different in my display, hence my leaning towards a slightly fictional colour scheme. would it be outside the realms of reality to think that the D-11 would (if in full production) end up in a colour scheme not unlike this: Not too heavily mottled sides, the rather strange RLM 84 ( i am leaning more towards painting my D-11 with this RLM 84) and a plausable colour schemes. What you chaps think, incidently the jerry crandall book gives a different colour call out for the 61 D-11 then eduard. Jerry gives 75/83 while Eduard give you 82/83. If i do go more for accuracy i will be painting 61 with 75/83 in accordance to jerry crandall. I may however break from the norm at use 84 on the fuse sides... what you chaps think, nothing set in stone or paint yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_H_ Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Hi Moofles, decals are yours if you would like them. Pm me your address and I'll get them off to you. The pic above looks like a Mimetall D-9 hence the blue-green shade and RLM76 tail. No reason why in 1946 MME would not have produced some D-11's if thats the way you wanted to go. The high numbers on the D11's (<58,<61 etc) indicate training aircraft though so you may want to go with a lower number such as the D9 in your post. The reason Eduard and Crandall differ is because Eduard tend to go with Japo's interpretation. I love Jerry's book but I believe the 82/83 scheme to be more plausible personally. Obviously, as always it's your model mate. Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moofles Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Aye i was aware it was a training aircraft, just wish there was some more infomation on it, just want to know if any of them ever saw any combat, and with what unit ect. pm inbound ofr the decals. may end up going historical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_H_ Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 From what I've read the only one that "may" have seen combat was Red4 of JV44. It's claimed that whilst on a whiskey run the pilot was bounced by P-47's and managed to down one in the ensuing combat. It would seem that the D11 engine wasn't the most reliable of things! Pm received, I'll check if I have any normal unit codes and let you know. Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moofles Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 Cheers mate. Didnt know that about Red 4, i recently built Red 13 in 1/72 and it was a great build, just not too sure i want another JV 44 machine in my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank152 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 The training school VFS des G.d.j that these D11s were part of wasn't your usual school. It was set up by Galland to provide specialist training to unit leaders. They also flew captured allied planes to demonstrate their characteristics. It was commanded at one time by no other than Maj Gunther Rall. JG300 also had D11s on strength as well as D9s although there are no known photos of them. In a report dated 26th April 1945 Stab/JG300 had 2 D11s on strength and II/JG300 had 33 D9s/D11s. So how about doing a JG300 D11 complete with Blue/White/Blue RVD band. Must be said though that these D11s camouflage were almost identical to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moofles Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 Ah now thats is something different. I like the sound of that. Right now off to find out about JG 300, looks like we may be onto a winner here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Go for it Moofles. Sounds like a plan. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank152 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Ah now thats is something different. I like the sound of that. Right now off to find out about JG 300, looks like we may be onto a winner here. If your doing this as a sort of a "what if" build this will be fine as more than likely JG300's Doras never carried the RVD bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moofles Posted February 8, 2012 Author Share Posted February 8, 2012 Ah right, well when i get to the painting stage i think i shall re-open the discussion on the topic, as if i dont add the RVD bands then how will you know ifs its a JG300 machine? A quick google online shows a well known D-9 Green 4 which has no JG300 markings other than the RVD bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moofles Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 Right then, good news, today i received my kit in the post, tomorrow i should be getting my black dog resin update set, my resin engine, and some surprise goodies..... After a unreal amount of research that even went into possible production numbers on the D-11 that II/JG300 apparently had i have decided on a colour scheme of 81/83/84 while the 84 is debatable, so is the existence of this aircraft with JG300, so im taking some poetic license with it. If the colour scheme proves to look unsightly i will change it to 76. Expect some first steps of building and riveting this sunday. As usual, please feel free to help me on my colour journey, as nothing is yet set in stone. Hints and tips are always welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_H_ Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 This is sounding gooooodddd!!! Looking forward to seeing this one come together. Howard P.S Decals in the post tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Can't wait to see this one coming together. Good luck with the scheme. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank152 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Right then, good news, today i received my kit in the post, tomorrow i should be getting my black dog resin update set, my resin engine, and some surprise goodies.....After a unreal amount of research that even went into possible production numbers on the D-11 that II/JG300 apparently had i have decided on a colour scheme of 81/83/84 while the 84 is debatable, so is the existence of this aircraft with JG300, so im taking some poetic license with it. If the colour scheme proves to look unsightly i will change it to 76. Expect some first steps of building and riveting this sunday. As usual, please feel free to help me on my colour journey, as nothing is yet set in stone. Hints and tips are always welcome. This is where I got my information from. http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/forums/i...?showtopic=6082 If you want to go down the what if route i'd go with the 81/83/76 sky (84 never existed and is an 80s thing!) with blue/white/blue RVD bands. Or if you want to go down the correct route go with 82/83/76 with 75 leading edge under surfaces with the rest of the under surfaces unpainted with no RVD bands. The camouflage schemes on the D-11 never varied from aircraft to aircraft apart from <57 after its transfer to JV44 where it got it's red/white under surface paint job. Look forward to watching your progress what ever you choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moofles Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) I'm actually going to differ with you on the varied paint scheme, since only 17 D-11s were ever built, and there is what 4 known variants with photographic evidence. Who is to say that the other D-11s like the D-9s had a varied colour scheme. As for RLM 84, I only cite it as 84 as 90% of luft modellers will know what I'm on about, and writing 76(sky)...well im just too lazy to write that out every time. The way I look at it, you get an aircraft in the field lets say JG/300 first thing you are going to do is make sure it has the correct unit markings, so if its involved in RVD then put the bands on it. As for colour scheme, again that depends on the factory its made in. Lets say there all made in the same factory at wars end, and all have a hastily applied paint scheme of 82/83/76 negating the fact that at this stage in the war primer is no longer widely used, and paint pigment shortage is rife, hence the 76 sky. As soon as that aircraft reaches front line units, their going to at best try and conform it to existing squadron colours. Slightest bit of damage will result in spares taken from D-9s where applicable, and we can equally assume that they will have there own personal stores of RLM 82/83/76 which will invariable be different from those at the factory. I have spent the past 4 days trawling through more information, and picking up many many Fw-190 Dora books, that I can actually say we know next to nothing about the paint schemes. If you look at the scheme at the training units, its very uniform in the 82/83/76, first thing that happens when the D-11 went to JV 44...new paint scheme, and even then looking at blakc and white photographs and even the colours ones, its debatable as to what RLM colouration those are painted in. So after my research (and you may or may not agree with me on this one) I strongly believe that there is no such thing as an ''Accurate'' D-11 paint scheme. Jerry Crandall and Eduard cannot even agree on the training units as Jerry cites 75/83/76 and Eduard cite 82/83/76. Now if these two powers cannot agree then I believe your best bet when it comes to painting these is A ) your best researched guess and B ) if going down the track of myself, and trying to figure out what the other 13 D-11s where painted, have a look at the united they were assigned to, and extrapolate from the aircraft already in use. Hence I believe that JG/300 based Fw-190 D-11 would have the scheme of 81/83/76 (debatable about the sky, i might just add it cos i want it ) Sorry about the long post, just thought I would share with you chaps my thought process, and I'm simply not going ooo i like that scheme, I'm choosing that, research has gone into this. I will admit my usual forte is Bf-109s, with those I know a shed load and the colour scheme kinda translates across, but with this GB my knowledge of the wurger is growing by the day. Cheers for the site tank, will have a gander now. Edit- Just read through that link you posted tank, thank you very useful, interesting about the RVD bands with JG/300. Will have to have a strong think about whether or not to add them to mine, the had read about the ground sortie missions somewhere else, here is a pickle for you, should I fit my D-11 out with a bomb to simulate it on a ground strike... Edited February 11, 2012 by Moofles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank152 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 The colour schemes on Ds only varied depending where they were built. You can tell just by looking at one which factory assembled them. As the D-11s were all assembled at Focke-Wulf Sorau, Code ncc they would all have left with the same paint job, as all photos show. I'd suggest you treat your self to the JaPo books on the Dora as they are the best on the subject. After reading that link you may now change your thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I'd suggest you treat your self to the JaPo books on the Dora as they are the best on the subject. Agreed. I only have part 1 at the moment but there is an amazing amount of research gone into these books. And the pictures/colour views are some of the best I've seen. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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