murfv Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Hi all I hope some of you can advise me I wish to some EDSG over white schemes as per pre-Falklands Harrier and 1970's FAA Phantom All refs I have indicate BS640 as the colour required and I was wondering which Humbrol tin is the closest match. IPMS Stockholm site gives 123 as well as humbrol own colour guides as a match, but to me EDSG should have a slight blue hue to it while 123 seems to me to have a more gray/green look to it. I have in the past used an old tin of Humbrol Authentic colour EDSG(HB7) and this always looked spot on to me when compare to any reference pictures I have seen. The reason I have specified Humbrol is because they are the only range I have ready access to, but if any one can recommend any other paint range, please do so. any help/advise gratefully welcome. Vincent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3 Demon Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Humbrol 123 that the one use, it's good a good match Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitnut617 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I used to have a tinlet which said it was XDSG, but it looks like it's gone so can't tell you what the number was. I do have some old Humbrol tinlets which have paper labels set into the lids, H123 also says Satin Dark Sea Grey, I have H164 too which also says Dark Sea Grey plus BS638 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousA667 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 There seems to be some confusion chaps. Dark sea grey = Hu 164 Extra dark sea grey = Hu 123 but to me EDSG should have a slight blue hue to it while 123 seems to me to have a more gray/green look Faded EDSG looks blue, in fact this has often fooled illustrators into showing it as blue rather than grey. I think the Humbrol colour is a good match for fresh paint. peebeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 For other paints, look to Xtracolour (from Hannants) for a gloss finish, which should be right for a Sea Harrier, or Colourcoats (from White Ensign Models) for a satin finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx6667 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 Hu 123 works for me Vincent, but if you think it should have a more blue hue, add some gloss blue to taste. Like most colours, EDSG has its variants depending on lighting conditions and weathering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I've always found this an interesting subject (boy, am I a geek or what?). Anyway, I think it has more of a blue cast to it than is often recognized. The oft-quoted FS595 match for EDSG is FS16081, which is the color of USN helicopters, etc (aka Seaplane Gray). That color has more green/brown to it than EDSG does. I like the Xtracrylics EDSG for 1970s/80s RN stuff. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murfv Posted July 23, 2008 Author Share Posted July 23, 2008 Thanks for the input, guys. It seems that 123 is the way to go for the moment and I may add a little blue to give a weathered looks as suggested. regards Vincent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 "...as easy as 123..." Heres one of mine in HU123 (before I went over to Xtracrylic's). . Regarding FAA Phantom's..these were painted by McDonnell-Douglas on the other side of the big wet divide, so Jennings reference to an FS number may be relevant here - if not on the Sea Harrier - which would have been painted to BSc381 standards, no need to convert everything to FS! Looking at period colour photo's there doesn't seem that much difference - if any to early delivered aircraft and those repainted in the UK There was some confusion - on the delivered FG1's there was a small plate which stated paint in "DARK SEA GREY" - B&W photo's were then printed in Scale Models (?) hence the confusion. Even Modeldecal sheet 44 states: Dark Sea Grey BS381C:638! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 There seems to be historical and current confusion between Dark Sea Grey and Extra Dark Sea Grey. I think that's a linguistic/cultural problem. An American would never name anything "Extra dark..." anything. It would seem silly to us. It's a very British way of describing something, and I think people who don't understand that linguistic difference might assume both colo(u)rs are the same. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousA667 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 It would seem silly to us. Dark = Dark Extra dark = Darker still! 'Silly' is light slate grey and dark slate grey - both green! peebeep 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Moore Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) You sure got that right!!! Let us not forget Middle-stone...huh??? Edited November 25, 2014 by Les Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Re Extra/dark/middle/light: one man's sensible system may well look silly when view out of context. Re slate grey: this is only a feeling, but I suspect the Admiralty only understood shades of grey until Peter Scott began educating them in the Western Approaches. HM Ships were basically issued with tins of white and black, to be mixed in the appropriate ratio. Ones in tropical climes were also given buff - or primrose yellow. If Farnborough had called the colours greens, there would have been hands thrown up in disgust. Green was only for the Admiral's barge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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