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A Tonytailplane would do it for me you know... Three...

Sorry Tony you are right we should be discussing the tailplanes alone, I was only pontificating a dose of unobtainable perfection for a tail unit. My only intention at present is going to be to get tailplanes which tally up, anything else is up to whoever wants to go one step beyond. NOT intended to put pressure on TeeELL productions, sorry if I clumsily sounded that daft.

Actually Tony @TeeELL it is the old Airfix B(I)6 that has the most colossal version of the problem I present my B(I)6 for your observation I compare this with my Frog B(I)8 Here one half taped to my B(I)6 to show length discrepancies too The slightly darker grey of the Rovex model reveals a much more moderate version of the tailplane fairing which is hardly visible when the kit if built, although it could be better if 71challied* Shown now for context, here is the Matchbox one too lined up for contrast Its (the green one) tailplane is altogether wrong in several aspects and since all three can use/desperately need improvement I'd like to see a tailplane replacement piece which could be built as James's rebuild plan and used in each kit to bring the overall Canberra tail feathers into line. Therefore I would love you to consider a full width Canberra tailplane unit as a future prospect for your 3D modelling skills Going back to this image, I get the impression that the Frog Canberra has the 14" fuselage extension already applied, can you or @canberra kid confirm whether I'm right or not please Tony? When you look a the taped together pieces you can see why I was able to buy my Airfix kit for 50p at a monthly club meeting back in the seventies cant you? The fuselage and wings are distorted but capable of being reshaped

Hi Rog, where were you mate? Anyway not a lot to see yet, I'm just sorting out things I will be needing on the triple build journey First must be to work on the moving (incidence adjustment) tailplane department as detailed by James @71chally A quick scan round the aisles of the archives found me @Massimo on his PR9 loveliness which also gave me access to this link for James's workings Whilst I wait for the reinforcement 3D parts from Tony I can get started on triple tail corrections for all three Yes Alan I am still rotating down with the Lynxes in my own self imagined jungle but as you know preliminary work is always worthwhile.

Hi James I have been looking this over, but of course lots of the links died I am wondering if anyone finally got the new tail on the market somewhere? I intend making three tailplanes to use on my Airfix, Frog and Matchbox kits, crossed fingers would be appreciated.

No mince pies Alan, none til December in fact crisps do you? And that's the last of the Traquair til next week too.

Hold my place here will you mate while I join the queue at the bar, ah cheers. Can I get you one while I'm there? I am going to be using Tony's wonderful Canberra resin bits to turn my ugly duck Airfix Canberra with the huge 'ooter into a PR-7 with his new resin nose that has the necessary camera ports in it and has that superb tapered curve built in Tony makes a set of intake nose cones for the three cartridge starter the later engines need and on sooner did I see them I ordered two more sets for my other Canberras, Frog BI(8) and Matchbox PR9. From a personal POV my actual favourite of these is the elegant Frog moulding but considering I already know about the huge number of problems with the Matchbox model I may as well build all three, hoping to do the Canberra proud. (some of the problems lie around the chord of the tailplane, I mean look at this comparison shot, Frog and Matchbox tailplanes) The scribed line shows the actual chord for the tailplanes. Ok then if you will hold my place I'll be back when I can with our order

Colin my threads have an almost legendary ability to meander all over the shop, popping a Cranberry aside in is by no means a thing destined to shock. In actual fact if youse guys stop giving the topic some air you have heard nowt about it as it gets buried before a Canberra PR thread ariz. 😇

So was I, temporarily, but there is an already loaded set of windows for Avon powered engines so I will take the decision to pop my Canberra's in there or have a new, fresh one for Canberras alone.

For the avoidance of doubt this, exhibit #1, is a helicopter model. Westland Lynx AH-9A version Just so nobody worries or wonders... If my tale of some Lynxes has anyone following the tale it might be apparent that it is different now to how it was a couple of days ago, very uplifting days it must be said from my POV. The legs have been removed because the original version had discrepancies from the actual machines and work was need to relocate some of the pick up points for them. Here a pair of wrong holes have been UV rezzed and filing flat has begun. If you ever work with UV resin you will find it almost impossible to file flush with the surrounding level due to its innate flexibility allowing it to sink under the action of the file then level up again after the file has moved on. Going to sort that by adding a flush level with PPP which may, may I say let me reinstate the surface levels. Find THAT out in a bit... What had happened began with me, yes me, getting the starboard and port pick up points out of alignment with the drill so after filling I'm going to try again and try harder to make a fixed fuselage fitment point rather like the ones on the upper fuselage inside the body groove it pivots across. (From my recollections as an automotive engineer the swinging bottom arm is being assisted to locate securely by a tie-bar/drag link. All very Ford Escort like, with the downward acting strut to act as the damper.) It isn't important within the build but this is a shot of the unfiled blob of UV resin before I file it flushish. If you are looking at the upperworks you can see lots of misshapes and dints, all to be tidied up before the full set of colours gets added. Although there is a lot of refinement to add I do like where the basic new top end has reached at last. Everyone's favourite soft white filler about to come into its non-structural own here. A last look at the blob, soon to disappear I hope...

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I have been reading book one already thanks John, it got me off on the photorecce trail.

Impatient any? Late new years resolve... Dont allow an open thread to become non-subject speculative Bill...

Now I am confused Tony @TeeELL do I need the earlier wheels for my B(I8) or a PR7 or the PR9? I can see I need a deeper look into the topic before I finalise on an airframe don't I? I just imported the fan and starter bullet unit into the intake rings, wow this is another world of modelling It feels almost a crime losing the build artefacts, the fine, intricate web of filaments that hold the parts down to stop them flying away Is the starter bullet supposed to protrude so far? And have I encouraged the assembly to sit far enough back or do I still have work to do here? found them, some other little artefacts behind the sealing ring, sorted and now I am uber-happy with them Blooming lovely From my aspect the wonderful nose wheels I have are marvels, the mudguard & stays blow the mind I'll be in touch

I could easily agree with you there John but I am afraid to add to my obsession with helicopters by adding B57s to my three Canberra stash I mean look at me now beginning the search for 1/72 ejector seats to suit... I think my plan is going to remain build my fat nosed Airfix one as a PR7 using Tony's conversion set, build the Matchbox one as a PR9 and get the pure Canberra goodness from the Frog kit which I still think pushes all my simplicity but nicenessness buttons so I may build that as a silver South African bird Just wondering if I ought to ask Tony for more starter bullet sets?

Thanks Chris, letting the soft paint harden before I get too involved cleaning up

***Yes I know it is a plan for a Martin B57

Thank you gentlemen, what I got from measuring was ridiculously (yes I'd agree with ridiculous) wide and a tad long Comparison with Frog one I would file it but the thickness is a bit OTT too, I might just make James @71chally at Saints tailplane mod and mould a couple. All to come in future weeks in a thread of its own.

That cockpit is astounding, well done you and Alan. The buff felt looks exactly the way I'll want mine to appear as a seat cover, nailed it.

Eeyore, eeyore to keep that one stumm

Thanks Alan it will be a short while yet of course, we've unfinished business here yet.

phew, bolted in Now I can get on with some modelling again On Ebay I found this at an acceptable price Matchbox PK-408 because I want PR Canberras and this might be the way ahead. I'm told there are issues but think I can live with them, at least the tailplane joins the fuselage properly on this version. And in the interest of PRfulnness I have bought PR7 parts from TeeELL which by coincidence arrived this morning too This makes a decent shaped front fuselage for the elderly fatnosed Canberra B(I)6 and because I wanted a PR7 has the camera ports and 14" fuselage extension Gorgeousssss Lovely nose wheel bay comes in the conversion And the camera bays, yummy I also bought the exquisite front faces for the Avon engines Yummy And now I have some disclosed Lynx surfaces to fettle Much to do there I'd say.

I have had a few days off from models whilst I took the time to whip out the bad dead engine from my Midget Here is the replacement going in I forgot how much like hard work it is working on engines, wow. Getting it in there phew

What a beauty Neil, very nicely done indeed Perfection in paint and plastic