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  1. To complicate even more I found a Malta spitfire Mk.Vc with wooden rotol prop so no rule without exception!
  2. Hope they fix the horrible shape issue of canard nosewing and intake airframe shape that thye got totally wrong on the 1/48 kit.
  3. Amazing thread and I learned alot reding this without any own info to add. Reading the Spitfire History book you talked about all things I think of in regard to early Mk.1 individuals. Oh one more thing, did theese earliest Mk.1 have the glass windows and landing light built into the underside of the wings which was later deleted in all later production? There is drawing and article mentioning this if interrested.
  4. Oh I learned to my horror that there is more than 1 type of later (think Mk.V) Rotols! The early ones were metal blades and of bigger diameter! Early metal Rotol: 3,28m diameter Later Jablo Wood Rotol: 3,12m diameter Both used the same longer pointy spinner. I guess of the Mk.Vb i will build it is most likely that AB 790 built in 1941 John A Kents J-AK Mk.Vb could have the bigger rotol. The other 2 rotol Mk.Vb i think had the smaller diameter Rotol prop in Jablo wood. For me in 1/72 i think i solve it like this: Quickboost Rotol with spinner is exactly correct diameter and the spinner looks the most realistic shapewise for all the Rotol Vb I will build. Sword kits have good enough Rotol blades that are almost exactly the metal blades diameter and i mount them on the Quickboost spinnner. For all early DH Mk.I to Mk.Va W3185 "Lord Lloyd I" of Douglas Bader I will use the Quickboost DH spinner and blades. (I assembled and tried the 1/72 Spitfire Mk.II Longrange Pavla kit spinner and Rotol-early blades. After some cleaning they look good just sad i dont know any airframe i love to build that had one mounted this spinner is more fat blunt round than the others) For the late Vc and PR.MkIV Trop I think i will use the sorter pointier sword spinners with the Quickboost blades but I am so far not sure if indeed the Mk.I Dh equiped Spinners were other shape than the Malta era Mk.Vc airframes. I would love to see a drawing and comparison and dimetional check on the real original Spitfire airframes. If I lived in UK it would be not that impossible to gather this info. it is a bit sadf to find that many modelkits and builders and decal instructions fail to put the correct spinner prop and diameter to the specific airframes and periods used that they depict.
  5. I agree with you that the left first plane is indeed an early Rotol rather than a DH licenced Hamilton. First one looks at the blade tip then id the rear edge is bent eliptical and front edge is much less eliptic shaped then it is a Rotol of early type also if the inner part before spinner is not round but has a trailing edge there then it can not ne the DH kind.
  6. I assembled one set of eash propeller tonight One Early DeHaviland with spinner, one Rotol Early and one rotol late Mk.V. I should make photos of them together so you can see.
  7. See comparison RF-W and RF-A and note different blades: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3374/3503162217_9d1221bb67_o.jpg
  8. The Mk.IIb looks on video to have been a DH proped one!
  9. Here is link to photo of the Mk.IIa which prop and spinner is mounted? http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234986582-spitfire-mk-iia-p8387-308squadr-raf-1941-148/
  10. I started learning about the early spitfired some years ago after buying different kits in Prague and as you say the more you learn the more you find there is blind spots and exception to the rules and sometimes it is not really production but might be field or unit changes or swapping of parts or engine props and such. And you told me more to understand the picture a bit clearer now. Pure luck that I found the american LF the most interresting to build and that you did not look into that specific airframe yourself.
  11. Amazing summary Graham thank you. What i meant with the Mk.2 rotols is that the back corner of the blade where it meets the spinner was rounded in backside and it was completely flat there in typical Mk.Vb Rotol blades. If you get what i mean. I think there is some truth in it. So i have to check for photos of the specific Mk.2 individuals i like to build then and see if possible to see the blad or shapes or spinner shape.
  12. So I found out that the early DH propellers was called 5/21, then Rotols on some Mk.2 were used, Rotol props on many Mk.Vb and DeHaviland 5/20 propellers on mk.Vc mostly and later. I guess there is some difference as to which factory built them and also what time period it was built and finished. Somewhere it is stated that all Mk.2 were equipped with the Rotol 3bladed prop which had different look at the root than the later. The big question is why can I not clearly see or find photos of any of the Mk.2 kits i have that any was using it in duty on photos? The Spitfire individuals I will build is the following ones: Mk.I late X4131 (Supermarine built) RY-H DeHaviland Prop is my guess Mk.Ib R6776 (Supermarine built) H-QV DeHaviland Prop is my guess Mk.IIa P8387 (Castle Bromwich built) H-PK DeHaviland Prop is my guess Mk.IIb P8385 (Castle Bromwich built) RF-A DeHaviland Prop is my guess Mk.Va W3185 (Supermarine built) D-B DeHaviland Prop is my guess Mk.Vb AB790 (Castle Bromwich built) J-AK Rotol with straight inner edge and pointy longer spinner classic Vb is my guess Mk.Vb LF BL680 (Castle Bromwich built) A USAAF Rotol with straight inner edge and pointy longer spinner classic Vb is my guess Mk.Vb Trop EP706 (Castle Bromwich built) Rotol with straight inner edge and pointy longer spinner classic Vb is my guess (The rest is Vc up to mk 24 and thoose are not tricky with look on spinner or prop) The Key publishing forum has not activated my account for over a week of waiting now. Hope someone can tell me how wrong I am in my research. Sincerely, Fredrik.
  13. Graham you put the finger on exactly what I question. The first DH Hydromatics in early mk.I-II and the DH constant speed units used on later Mk.Vc as used on malta. Were the blades skape and diameter and all externally the same? In the different 1/72 scale kits the earlier DH props seem less wider and a bit smaller than the kits with later DH props. What I wonder is if they are infact exactly the same blades and should therefore be the same shapewise on all my DH prop Spitfires? To me there is ofcourse a difference between the DH and the Rotol prop spinners but I very unsure if there is any difference on various DH equiped airframes?
  14. I agree with you in that, the Rotol Equiped Mk.Vb have a longer more pointy spinner.
  15. I know Quickboost make Spitfire mk.1 DeHaviland propeller and spinner, they also do a mk.V rotol with spinner most commonly used on Vb as I understand it. Many Spitfire mkVc used DeHaviland propeller, were they the same exact type size on mk.I and later mk.Vc and what about the spinner itself was the mk.i same as mk.Vc? I guess the early exhausts I bought will be correct for all mk.I-II and the few mk.V which did not have the firshtail shaped exhausts (Maybe earlier marks rebuilt to Vb or Vc airframes). I will use them for all my AZ model mk.I to V and my Sword Mk.Vc kits. The more I try to learn the less i understand i know about the spitfires and theis specific individual variations. I hope my text makes some sence. /Fredrik.
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